Luka Doncic won European Championship, Euroleague and Euroleague MVP within 12 months
卢卡-东契奇在十二个月内拿下欧洲杯冠军、欧洲联赛冠军以及欧洲联赛的MVP。
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[–]vickicreme 1734 指標 1 天前
Congrats to Luka Doncic. He achieved everything that is possible in Europe. Welcome to NBA !
恭喜卢卡-东契奇，他完成了欧洲大满贯，欢迎来NBA玩儿啊。
[–]Celtics BandwagonFudgicles1 515 指標 1 天前
He's already on European HOF watch lol.
凯尔特人球迷：他好像已经能在欧洲篮球名人堂偶选人里面了呢，哈哈。
[–]WarriorsMacDerfus 51 指標 1 天前
If he doesn't come to the US, he'd probably end up in the basketball HoF
勇士球迷：如果他不选择去美国的话，大概率也会进篮球名人堂。
[–]Igornificent 350 指標 1 天前
He never won a game in BBB challenge in Lithuania though
？？老哥，你确定他能进欧洲篮球名人堂？他还没有在立陶宛的3B挑战赛上赢过比赛呢！
注：3B挑战赛事球爹举办的比赛。
[–][SAS] Avery JohnsonRecycledCan 491 指標 1 天前
Also, have to add Final 4 MVP as well
马刺球迷：别忘了还有一个四强MVP呢。
[–]ssaltmine 117 指標 1 天前
Damn you guys, use commas properly. I'm still not sure of the titles.
European Championship, Euroleague Championship, Euroleague MVP, and Final Four MVP in the European Championship?
该死，他的荣誉多到我都确定不了。
所以是欧洲杯冠军、欧州联赛冠军、欧洲联盟的MVP以及欧州联赛四强MVP对吗？
[–]Netsaydee123 314 指標 1 天前
He could also win the ACB championship next month.
篮网球迷：他还有机会在下个月西班牙联赛里夺冠呢。
[–]SupersonicsSoopsmojo 162 指標 1 天前
And the prestigious summer league championship in July!
超音速球迷：还有七月万众瞩目的夏季联赛冠军！
[–]BucksRockness88 17 指標 1 天前
Doubt he’ll play in summer league. Had no offseason last year, been playing for almost 18 months straight and his season probably ends in late June if Real reaches the Spanish league final. Luka needs rest badly.
雄鹿球迷：实际上我很怀疑他会不会打夏季联赛，他去年根本没有休赛期，他已经连续打了18个月的球了，如果皇家马德里杀进西班牙联赛决赛的话，他要到六月底才能结束所有比赛，东契奇真的需要休息了。
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[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesdeadscene 2238 指標 1 天前
The most accomplished 19 year old ever in basketball?
骑士球迷：这是篮球界19岁荣誉最多的球员吗？
[–]BucksILoveBurnedPotatoes 376 指標 1 天前
Yes. And it's not even close.
雄鹿球迷：是的，而且其他同年龄段的人和他比起来连汽车尾灯都看不到哦。
[–]MagicSaricForAG 215 指標 1 天前*
Rare instance where the use of this phrase is warranted.
魔术球迷：吊爆了这句话在其他十九岁身上就是XJB吹，但是在他身上真的再合适不过了。
[–]Lakersso-cal_kid 245 指標 1 天前
he also just got 1 million miles from Turkish Airlines. Dude is set for life.
湖人球迷：他刚刚还获得土耳其航空的一百万免费里程，这家伙真的人生圆满了。
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[–]SunsDuma123 1221 指標 1 天前
And he’s been playing for 18 months straight with essentially no break.
太阳球迷：而且这是他连续十八个月没歇过一下得到的荣誉哦。
[–]Nets BandwagontheToBeHonestGuy 879 指標 1 天前
Yeah, this is gonna be his first real offseason, huge for him.
篮网球迷：这是他第一个真正的休赛期啊，对于他来说这意味着很多。
[–]NetsLiaM_CS 509 指標 1 天前
He'll probably be doing a lot of work this offseason too, doubt he'll be taking many days off
篮网球迷：他会在这个休赛期做很多事情，我觉得他不会休息太长时间。
[–]Knicksaoifhasoifha 565 指標 1 天前
It's not about actual rest so much as having dedicated time for recovery.
尼克斯球迷：实际上也不是休息很长时间，就是有个时间舒缓一下身心罢了。
[–][POR] Geoff PetrieTheGourmet9 313 指標 1 天前
And dedicated time for skill development and NBA level athlete training
开拓者球迷：这些时间可以用来增强自己的技术，并且进行NBA级别的体能锻炼。
[–]BucksStRet 583 指標 1 天前
And dedicated time for learning how to deal with insta thots
雄鹿球迷：也有充分的时间来学习如何应付前赴后继的Ins网红。
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[–]RocketsSharpieman20 165 指標 1 天前
One of the closest things I could think of was Magic Johnson winning Finals MVP in his rookie season when he was 20, but he didn't win the season MVP like Luka, although the NBA is a more competitive league than the Euroleague by quite a bit.
火箭球迷：我能想到最接近这一成就的是魔术师在他新秀赛季时赢得总决赛MVP的时候，那个时候他已经20岁了，但是他也没能像东契奇一样赢得常规赛的MVP，尽管NBA是一个竞争性比欧洲联赛强得多的地方。
[–][DAL] Dirk Nowitzkichanaandeler_bong 192 指標 1 天前
Magic won a HS, College and NBA Championship in 4 years.
独行侠球迷：魔术师四年里拿了高中、大学和NBA总冠军。
[–]SupersonicsApoNow6 103 指標 1 天前
Finals MVP in the NBA is worth more than Euroleague finals and season MVP combined.
超音速球迷：NBA总决赛MVP可是比欧洲联赛MVP和四强MVP要有价值得多吧。
[–]beendoingit7 268 指標 1 天前
AD won an NCAA championship, was National Player of The Year, and won an Olympic Gold at 18.
安东尼-戴维斯在他18岁那年赢得了NCAA总冠军，全美最佳球员以及奥运会金牌。
[–]Bullsmaltrab 300 指標 1 天前
Euro Accomplishments are better than NCAA accomplishments due to higher level of talent. Plus, AD's 2012 Gold Medal should be taken with a grain of salt. He was on team USA with prime LeBron and Durant and was the 12th man on that team. You or I could have been on that team and they still would have won gold.
公牛球迷：欧洲的成就明显要比NCAA要高吧，毕竟欧洲的职业球员天赋会更高一些，安东尼-戴维斯2012年的金牌得来全不费功夫，毕竟和他搭档的是勒布朗和杜兰特，他是这个球队的第十二人，我和巅峰勒布朗、杜兰特在一起也能夺冠啊。
[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownIanCaesars 1077 指標 1 天前
European Skip Bayless: Luka Doncic carried by role-players in most important game of the season.
凯尔特人球迷：欧洲Skip Bayless：卢卡-东契奇在赛季里最重要的比赛里依靠的全是角色球员。
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[–]BullsSexualEarwax 430 指標 1 天前
He should be the unquestioned #1 pick and the only reason he isn’t is cause he plays overseas
公牛球迷：他本应该是毫无争议的状元，唯一不当选状元的原因就是因为他在海外打球。
[–]SunsTheDJK 133 指標 1 天前
Ayton being a beast helps too lol
太阳球迷：艾顿也有野兽级别的天赋啊。
[–]BullsSexualEarwax 127 指標 1 天前
He’s great but there are serious questions defensively and I think his jumper isn’t as great as it’s made out to be. Still a top tier prospect with the most potential upside in the class, but he’s got a lot of downside too.
公牛球迷：艾顿确实不错，但是他在防守端好像有很严重的问题，我觉得他的跳投也没有大家说得那么好，他仍然是顶级潜力信任，有着很高的上限，但是他也有很多的缺点。
[–]Warriorstalanted_o 47 指標 1 天前
There are serious questions about Doncics athleticsm, defense, and he is shooting awfully this season
勇士球迷：东契奇也是啊，他在运动能力、防守以及投篮上同样有一些问题。
[–]CelticsGeoDim 326 指標 1 天前
Also because white
还有可能是因为他是白人哦。
[–]RaptorsVeryCanadian 123 指標 1 天前
Could be true, could be one of those very very few things that cut against us, but NBA teams take great pains not to typecast based on race these days, even though were wired to. Daryl Morey talked about how he ignored the draft combine results of Jeremy Lin and deeply regretted it. Another funny thing was watching the 30 for 30 on Bird and Magic and hearing Birds teammates' talk about thier reaction from 1) When Larry showed up to his first practice and 2) When Larry smoked everyone in his first practice.
The Suns could take Ayton based on positional need. Don't read too much into it. The nice thing about sports is that buckets aren't racist.
猛龙球迷：楼上可能说的是对的，这种歧视可能是白人受到的很少的不公之一了，但是现在NBA球队已经尽力尝试不通过种族来将球员模式化，莫雷曾经说过他曾经因为肤色而忽略了林书豪的体侧成绩，这也让他非常后悔。
ESPN的纪录片《30 For 30》也有一个很有意思的片段：第一个是伯德首次出现在训练的时候，第二次是伯德在首次训练就把所有人打爆的时候。
鉴于太阳现在的位置需要，他们可能确实会选艾顿，不要解读太多，关于这项运动最美好的地方就在于篮筐是一视同仁的，他不会在意肤色。
[–][MIL] Stephen Jacksongbdman 189 指標 1 天前
the last euro white guy to be drafted #1 was Bargnani
i'm still taking Doncic
雄鹿球迷：上一个欧洲白人状元是巴尼亚尼。
但是我依然会选择东契奇。
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According to a new college defensive metric (D-PIPM), DeAndre Ayton is the worst defensive big man picked in the top 10 since 2010. Worse than Okafor, Len, Chriss
根据一项最新的大学防守评判标准（D-PIPM），德安德烈-艾顿是2010年来防守最差的十个大个子之一，比奥卡福、莱恩以及克里斯还要差。
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[–]Knicks TankwagonRUBEN4iK 331 指標 1 天前
Isn't Lauri a decent defender?
尼克斯球迷：我记得马尔卡宁不是一个不错的防守者嘛？
注：倒数前十中有马尔卡宁。
[–]RoughWidth 335 指標 1 天前
Yes. Not a good rim protector but solid on the perimeter and on the pick and roll.
是的，他不是一个好的护框者，但是在外线和挡拆防守中做得都不错。
[–][NYK] Lance Thomasscmsf49 115 指標 1 天前
and since this is big men specific imma assume rim protection is heavily weighted
Looks like a pretty good indicator tbh, some exceptions obviously but definitely decent
尼克斯球迷：但是这个数据仅仅讨论的是内线，所以护框应该占的比重还蛮大的吧。
看起来是个不错的参考指标，会有一些例外，但是总体还是不错的。
[–]WarriorsLonzoDaVinci[S] 59 指標 1 天前
Lauri's value prop is vastly different than Ayton.
For him to be "good" on defense, he just needs to be passable, considering what he provides on offense.
For Ayton to succeed, a large part of that is banking on him being a transcendent defender.
勇士球迷：马尔卡宁的价值和艾顿可不一样。
对于马尔卡宁而言，他只需要在防守端做得不错就好，毕竟他在进攻端的火力很强。
但是如果选中艾顿的球队希望他成功的话，很大一部分期望也是要他成为顶尖防守者的吧。
[–]Trail Blazers_Quetzalcoatlus_ 165 指標 1 天前
For Ayton to succeed, a large part of that is banking on him being a transcendent defender.
I completely disagree. I don't think anyone expects him to be a transcendent defender. A lot of his value is expected to come from offense and rebounding.
开拓者球迷：楼上老哥，我不同意你的观点，我不觉得有人期待他能成为强大的防守者，他很多的价值是在于进攻和篮板。
[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeDiatomicBromine 52 指標 1 天前
Might as well take in Enes Kanter at that point
热火球迷：那还不如选坎特呢。
[–]LakersCheppyWire 162 指標 1 天前
Cmon dude. Cousins, KAT, Porzingis, Jokic are all bigs who are not transcendent defenders and are stars based on their offense. And there are plenty of more examples. Bad take
湖人球迷：老哥别这样啊，考辛斯、唐斯、波尔津吉斯以及约基奇都是那种靠进攻吃饭而且没指望他们能防守多好的人，这样的人前面有很多啊，不要总是拿坎特做例子啊。
[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookSpiritBamba 70 指標 1 天前
Porzingis and cousins can be pretty good defenders tho. And kat gets dominated by good physical centers from what I’ve seen, on the defensive end that is.
雷霆球迷：波尔津吉斯和考辛斯可是不错的防守者哦，唐斯经常会被身强体壮的中锋支配，其他方面还做得不错。
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[–]LakersSandz_ 162 指標 1 天前
Chriss and Len you say? Ayton going #1 to suns confirmed.
湖人球迷：你在说克里斯和莱恩？那1号签选艾顿没错了！
[–]_LebronsHairline_ 220 指標 1 天前
No one mentioning that Bagley, a consensus top 4 pick, is almost as bad defensively.
咋就没人讨论巴格利呢？4号秀的大热门，他的防守也很垃圾啊。
[–]Trail BlazersNoveson 137 指標 1 天前
Because everyone knows he's a trash defender. A lot of people seem to think Dayton is a good one for some reason
开拓者球迷：因为每个人都知道他是一个很垃圾的防守者，很多人不知道为什么都会觉得艾顿能成为一个不错的防守者。
[–]NetsFigureltOut 749 指標 1 天前
yeah but would Doncic, MVP of the Euroleague at age 19, survive in the Pac 12?
篮网球迷：这个数据不错，但是东契奇，欧洲联赛的新科19岁MVP ，能在大十二联盟存活下来嘛？（斜眼笑）
[–]76ersthefreeman419 357 指標 1 天前*
That's concerning. From everything I've heard, he has the physical tools to be a great defender. But effort can't necessarily be taught, some guys really just don't care enough (looking at you Jah)
At the same time, people thought Simmons would be a bad defender because he didn't show effort in college, but this year he was one of the best defensive PGs in the league
76人球迷：实际上有一点很关键。从我所知道的信息来看，他有着足够的身体条件成为好的防守者，但是防守端付出努力是不一定能教出来的，有些人就是不够重视防守（说的就是你呢，奥卡福）。
就在此前的同一时间段，有人认为本-西蒙斯会成为一个很糟糕的防守者，因为他在大学里在防守端根本就是好不上心，但是这个赛季他成为了联盟里防守端最好的后卫之一。
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原文作者: Reddit
编译：万事胜意
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