[Charania] Raptors rising star Pascal Siakam is seeking a maximum contract extension in discussions with the Raptors. Siakam is eligible for either a four-year, $130 million max deal, or a five-year, $170 million max.
[–]Celtics PostModernPost 39 指標 1 天前
Ooof, good luck with that.
[–]Raptors cheerseveryone22 142 指標 1 天前
Rather pay Siakam the max than Hayward
[–]Heat jbenson255 100 指標 1 天前
This isn’t fair at all lmao Hayward was healthy and a better player than siakim is now when they gave him the max
[–]Raptors Cheechers23 17 指標 1 天前
21/5/3.5 on .595 TS% vs 17/7/3 on .628 TS%.
So yes, you are correct in saying better, but not much. Siakam is also younger than Hayward was when he had that season.
[–]Celtics mr_showboat 967 指標 1 天前
Of course he's seeking the max. He showed his value this past season, and it'd be rough for the Raptors to lose him. I don't really think he's worth the max at this point, but he's improved every season and he could continue to do so. Even if he doesn't keep improving, as long as he keeps playing at the level he played at last season it wouldn't be the worst max contract in the grand scheme of max contracts, even if it's probably an overpay.
[–]Raptors Broonskk 75 指標 23小時前
That's a problem within the NBA imo. Once you pass a certain threshold, you are worth a max. Problem is there is a pretty wide difference in these max players production around the league
[–]Lakers Guacamoleistoocostly 33 指標 23小時前
Right, in theory a max contract is only appropriate for like 8 players in the league, but if a player has leverage (like Siakam does now or Wiggins did a few years ago) then you can force a team to either offer you the max or lose you for nothing. It's a tough pill to swallow as a franchise or a fanbase.
[–]EmmitSan 15 指標 18 小時前
Lol Wiggins had NO leverage. Not one team in the league was offering him the max unless the owner’s name was Glen Taylor. He was already acknowledged as overhyped back then
[–][TOR] Peja Stojakovic MrHallmark 10 指標 17 小時前
Siakam is luckily a RFA so we can match. I love Spicy P, but it's a question of how does he perform as the #1 guy.
[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsu Saprano44 222 指標 1 天前
Yeah I am hoping that we can get him for around 28-28 Million a year, but realistically if we don't max him now then he will get maxed as an RFA next off-seaon (barring any very unfortunate circumstance).
[–]Celtics ssjgoat 590 指標 22 小時前
You're not leaving much wiggle room here for negotiating.
[–]Lakers Zurdo112 432 指標 22 小時前
He meant 28 dollars to 28 million dollars
[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsu Saprano44 10 指標 22 小時前
I don't think we should max him now. Only way I would like a deal to get done right now is if he was willing to take a 4 year 100-116 million right now, but he is going to wait it out and will likely be maxed next offseason.
[–]Raptors BillyPotion 28 指標 22 小時前
Why max him now when worst case scenario we'll just max him next year?
[–]Raptors oryes 45 指標 22 小時前
Exactly, see what he can do as the focal point of a team and then decide. Worst case we pay him a few million more than we would if we signed him right now.
I'm high on Siakam but I think a bit more skeptical than most Raptors fans.
[–]Raptors croserobin 17 指標 22 小時前
Worst case if we wait is he lives up to the hype and gets on the all NBA 3rd team. Then he'll qualify for a 30% max rather than a 25% max.
[–]Raptors Cheechers23 27 指標 18 小時前
If Pascal becomes good enough to be a top 6 forward in the league this season, then fuck it, give him the 30% max, he's earned it
[–]Raptors Bananasauru5rex 16 指標 20 小時前
Siakam getting 3rd team all NBA sounds more like the best case. I'd 100% rather give a bigger max to that player than a smaller max to the current Siakam.
[–]Jonny5Five 22 指標 23小時前
In regards to parity I've always thought the biggest issue was max contracts. If people where paid what they where worth the league would be a lot more even.
[–]stragen595 13 指標 23小時前
You can't give LeBron 90 percent of the cap.
[–]Jonny5Five 13 指標 23小時前
[–][ORL] Jonathan Isaac Koltonn 40 指標 22 小時前
I am also seeking the max
[–]brydondirty 17 指標 22 小時前
Me too but I'm willing to settle for 1% of the max
[–]Rymasq 31 指標 23 小時前
because of Middleton and Tobias Harris all of these "borderline stars" are asking for the same
[–]ReliablyFinicky 15 指標 22 小時前
Maybe Siakam wants the max because he's actually worth it, and he's not just a "borderline star".
[–]Raptors OG_Wan_Annunoby 39 指標 21 小時前
It's not an overpayment based on market value at least. Just look at what he has going for him:
Year 3 he proves that he can be a 2nd scoring option on a championship team with nearly 20 points a game throughout the playoffs, with plenty of 30 point outbursts in big games.
He is still a complete forward giving you rebounding, playmaking, and defense at an elite level.
analytical data rates him as an elite perimiter defender and transition scorer, which is pretty much the backbone of every good modern basketball team.
He's 24 years old.
There are guys who have proven less than that and gotten max or near max deals. I think he's an absolute lock for a max deal
[–][DET] Stanley Johnson DetroitHooper313 732 指標 1 天前
what if he doesn’t live up to the contract
[–]Cavaliers clebrink 24 指標 22 小時前
It’s crazy, this is turning in real-life 2K where every player with decent potential is demanding the max.
[–]Raptors EN_BE_EH 36 指標 1 天前
my concern exactly. i guess the choice is would you rather overpay siakam or not have him? i dont know why a deal below the max isn't an option @ all for these guys. like - is another team really prepared to MAX this guy? and i like siakam.
reminds me of tobias harris. someone was really going to give the max to him?
[–]Heat wormhole222 20 指標 22 小時前
The biggest concerns with giving Harris that contract was defense and playmaking. Siakam is already way better than Harris at both. Also there was some concerns regarding how good of a playoff player Harris will be, and Siakam has already put that to bed too.
[–]Raptors brokendrive 18 指標 23 小時前
I'd give it to him in a second. He played the second half of last season at an all star level, and was pretty damn good in the playoffs, especially for his first deep run.
Take that gamble any day. I feel like he's not done improving either.
[–]Raptors nooger 18 指標 21 小時前
Real test will be how he does when teams gameplan for him being the #1 or #2 option
[–][PHI] Joel Embiid lardbiscuits 828 指標 1 天前
Toronto has no choice. They don't get free agents.
[–]Spurs BedfordLincoln6318 652 指標 1 天前
Bro, what are you talking about? They totally signed Hedo Turkoglu a few years back.
[–]Warriors DumbNumbAndFun 12 指標 21 小時前
They also landed 2x NBA champion Patrick McCaw last year to push them over the edge and get that ring
[–]Thunder Ssumday_is_love[S] 273 指標 1 天前
And Jeremy Lin
[–][WAS] Bradley Beal A2daRon 152 指標 1 天前
Fred VanVleet also an undrafted free agent.
[–]Raptors costcosamples44 313 指標 1 天前
You guys have had one of the most dominant runs in all of sports the past 20 or so years and the only marquee FA you've signed is LaMarcus Aldridge. I think people forget how rare it is for any NBA franchise outside of NY, LA, or Miami to sign FAs with any semblance of regularity. This problem isn't exclusive to Toronto, it's a problem for 26 other franchises.
[–]Spurs BedfordLincoln6318 48 指標 1 天前
Well LaMarcus Aldridge was the biggest free agent that summer by far. LA, New York, and Miami don't always only get the Big Fish. But what you said is right, a lot of franchises like the Raptors have never even come close to signing the biggest free agent of a summer.
[–]Nets aydee123 44 指標 23 小時前
Not even New York really.
Until this past summer with KD and Kyrie, the only big name free agent to sign with the Knicks or Nets in forever was Amar'e, and a big reason for that is that the Knicks offered him way more guaranteed money than other teams.
[–][HOU] Hakeem Olajuwon pieman2005[ ] 11 指標 22 小時前
Houston has done pretty well. Not always free agents but CP3 and Westbrook specifically wanted to play here.
[–]Thunder luckyguess0r 12 指標 21 小時前
westbrook wanted to play with harden. the dude lived in okc all his life, i dont think he really cares what city he plays in.
[–]Raptors costcosamples44 70 指標 1 天前
People keep saying this, but how many franchises in the NBA sign marquee free agents with any modicum of regularity outside of LA, NY or Miami.
[–]Spurs ButtVader 17 指標 23 小時前
KD signed with the Warriors
[–]Celtics Conor27 79 指標 1 天前
The Celtics have signed three guys coming off all-star seasons in the last four years shrug
[–]Raptors Life_Of_High 6 指標 22 小時前
Yah but those players are not superstars.
[–]Celtics sjturner15 34 指標 22 小時前
what superstar has signed with the knicks in the last 25 years?
[–][LAL] Lonzo Ball sirhari 30 指標 21 小時前
[–]Raptors cheerseveryone22 24 指標 1 天前
We didn’t used to but with a ring and the plethora of Canadian talent coming into the league I wouldn’t be surprised if we were able to snag a big free agent in 2021. Plus I think Siakam is worth it look how much y’all paid Tobias Harris lmao
[–]Smekledorf1996 38 指標 1 天前
Just cause Harris is overpaid, doesn’t mean Siakam won’t be
Siakam is entering his prime at 25, but there’s no guarantee that he’ll be worth that 5 year 170 million dollar contract
[–]Raptors cheerseveryone22 21 指標 1 天前
I’m just saying the person I responded to acted like Raps have to overpay cuz we get no FA but the whole league is constantly overpaying guys like Tobias Harris.
[–]four4beats 28 指標 23 小時前
Siakam had one good season and is already asking for a max deal? Must be nice.
[–]Celtics whosArbeely 35 指標 1 天前
Siakam a good player. He's not max worthy.
[–]ruthbadergangsburg 25 指標 21 小時前
That's what happens when you're the second major contributor on a championship team.
[–]Trail Blazers Holcan 12 指標 17 小時前
Don't forget playing a position that is most sought after in basketball.
[–]Spurs PrawnCocktail 19 指標 1 天前
I was a Siakam doubter for most of this past season, saying he didn't have a left hand. He proved me completely wrong and I would give him the max in a heartbeat.
[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade JumpMaaaaan 292 指標 1 天前
If I was also vital to my own team's first ever championship, I also would demand max money. But that's up to the Raps to decide if he's a player you can build around for the upcoming seasons, then eventually win the chip again. This is like when the Cavs were handing out big money to their championship roster during the free agency. Not saying that Siakam is TT of course.
[–]Raptors bossmanjr[ ] 56 指標 23 小時前
The big difference is that, with Kawhi leaving, the Raptors will get a full season with him as the first option to evaluate if he is worth the max. I hope they don't extend him early off of one great season and actually take advantage of that trial period, and the extra cap space we will have from waiting until next summer.
The big variable is whether he would feel offended by that and sign a less favorable offer sheet next summer to screw us a little. He doesn't seem like that type of guy, and we have given him lots of opportunities to succeed so far, so i'm not too worried about that. Regardless, I trust in Masai and his handling of the situation.
[–]Celtics HorsNoises 14 指標 22 小時前
I don't think most players would be offended by that, but at the same time ik that was part of the reason that Hayward signed the offer sheet with Charlotte however long ago. Utah didn't offer him the money so he went and got it elsewhere and then they still matched it for some reason.
[–]Krespino 64 指標 1 天前
Jaylen Brown is demanding $170m. Siakam is clearly better than Brown. Tobias Harris, Middleton are paid at that level. So did Ben Simmons.
[–][DAL] Dennis Smith fishfishfish1345 37 指標 20 小時前
Hold up, Ben is clearly a max level player lol.
[–]Raptors B oogerSlug 37 指標 21 小時前
Still blows my mind that Jaylen Brown is demanding a max. He's the 3rd best player on the team at most. If it was pre injury Hayward, Brown would be 4th
[–]Timberwolves the___heretic 15 指標 17 小時前
Is it just me or is like everyone in the NBA either a max or minimum player these days? Seems like there’s surprisingly little wiggle room between the two.
[–]Knick edUp 13 指標 17 小時前
Yep..middle class is gone
[–]Raptors MrkGrn 60 指標 1 天前
People on this sub literally go back and forth on Siakam getting the max. I see Raptors fans say they'd rather not pay him the max yet and people shitting on them saying of course you pay him the max and they'd be stupid not to, then theres posts like this where everyone seems to think hes not worth it at all and that Toronto HAS to pay him the max now or he'll leave and Toronto will never sign a free agent ever again.
[–]Notoriouslydishonest 34 指標 1 天前
Both sides can be true simultaneously.
It's definitely an overpay, but I also don't think Toronto has the option to let him walk. It's just a shitty situation for the front office to be in.
[–]Raptors MarkellNelson 20 指標 23 小時前
Honestly, almost every single contract signed nowadays is an overpay.
[–]Rockets aboooz 71 指標 1 天前
If true, there is no point in Toronto paying now strategic wise. They will have a good amount of capspace and Siakam's caphit is pretty small (also hes RFA obvs). So they should wait and see if they can get a couple of good players to pair up with Siakam through free agency or trading into capspace. Only way I see Toronto paying him if he wants the max, is as a good will/trust move if he starts the season really hot. Which, while it will leave a good look on Toronto from him and other players, wouldnt be the smartest move imo.
[–]Suns AnAnonymousSource_ 82 指標 1 天前
They should sign him before the cap jumps another 20M in two years. 4 years is a fair gamble considering they have nothing else in the pipes right now and no long term money really.
[–]NBA dead-serious 18 指標 1 天前
exactly this. best case is that he grows into the contract and lives up to being a #1 option otherwise they'll just be paying market value for him.
[–]Raptors Life_Of_High 17 指標 22 小時前
Exactly, Bradley Beal is a good example. That contract is probably the best one the Wizards handed out between Wall, Beal & Porter.
Signed Beal after averaging 17ppg in 2016 and his max is basically a discount right now.
It makes sense for the Raps to sign him to a max now because of cap inflation over the next few years.
[–]Raptors danielisverycool 122 指標 1 天前
He’s not worth it yet, but it makes more sense than giving Harris, Murray, or Middleton the max.
[–]76ers thisdudefux 31 指標 1 天前
How come everyone keeps saying "yet"? He's still got so much potential but he's going on 26
[–]Raptors MMPride 13 指標 23 小時前
There's a reason he was Most Improved Player last season, he's improving and hopefully he will keep improving.
[–][NOP] Jrue Holiday Cheeseish 59 指標 1 天前
He’s only been playing basketball since high school. That’s way less time than the other players. He has room to grow and he’s younger than Middleton and Tobias, who both got maxes
[–]Thunder Ssumday_is_love[S] 21 指標 1 天前
I think he is a better play than Middleton and Murray, but giving him a $170 five-year max is still too much imo
[–]Smekledorf1996 81 指標 1 天前
I wouldn’t put Murray in there since he’s only 22
He’s got more upside cause of his age, but it’s definitely a risk for Denver
[–]Celtics ssjgoat 11 指標 22 小時前
He also benefits alot from playing with Jokic. I'm not sure he gels well elsewhere as the main distributor.