【键盘侠】追梦建议布克离队|年轻核心在成长 太阳何时能翻身?

Draymond Green on Devin Booker: “It’s great to see Booker playing well, but get my man out of Phoenix. It’s not good for him and for his career”

勇士球员追梦-格林日前在TNT节目中谈到布克时表示:“很高兴看到他能有这么出色的表现,但是我认为我这哥们儿得离开太阳,留在那里对他的生涯没什么好处。”

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[–][ORL] Terrence Ross Gavina4444 4637 指標 10小時前

“Are you tampering?”

“...maybe.”

Lmfao

魔术球迷:-“你在违规招募吗?”

-“也许吧。”

笑死老子了,哈哈

[–]Gran Destino Twoweekswithpay 1387 指標 9小時前

Draymond’s definitely got experience...

追梦在这方面肯定是有经验的……

[–]76ers Fire-Elton-Brett-AL 754 指標 9小時前

Probably gonna call Booker from the parking lot after the show

76人球迷:或许下节目后会在停车场给布克打电话

[–]Raptors danielisverycool 4157 指標 10小時前

He’s getting fined

猛龙球迷:追梦要被罚款了

[–]OuTLi3R28 150 指標 8小時前

Why? He isn't management.

凭啥?他又不是管理层

[–]didhestealtheraisins 69 指標 5小時前

And he’s definitely not trying to get Booker in GS. Curry and Thompson are going to still be there a while.

而且他肯定不是想招募布克去勇士。库里和汤普森还要待一阵子呢

[–]Randym1221 127 指標 7小時前*

If he gets fined, Lebron should too for that AD comment then.

Edit: I’m a big lebron fan too. But hey let’s be fair.

如果追梦被罚款了,那詹姆斯之前评论戴维斯的时候也该被罚

编辑:我是老詹铁粉,但也得实事求是

[–]letsnotreadintoit 1368 指標 8小時前

Has a player ever been fined for tampering before?

之前有球员因为违规招募被罚过款吗?

[–]Lakers henryofclay 1151 指標 8小時前

Nope. If it didn’t happen with the Clips and Kawhi then it never will. Dinwiddie and KD as well, he was open about tampering.

湖人球迷:没有。如果快船和小卡这操作没被罚款,那以后也不会有。丁威迪和阿杜也是,他之前公开招募。

[–]Lakers KAhnSolo 659 指標 8小時前

Draymond openly admitted that he was recruiting KD after the 2016 Finals and still didn't get fined.

湖人球迷:追梦之前公开承认,他在16年总决之后招募过杜兰特,还是没被罚

[–]Heat KniGht1st 182 指標 7小時前

Not exactly, the original report said he called Myers to get KD, he did not directly contact KD.

热火球迷:楼上说得不完全对,最初报道说得是他打电话让迈尔斯招募阿杜,他自己并没有直接联系

[–][OKC] Raymond Felton DTttfu 2042 指標 10小時前

Espn is going to talk about this garbage for months thanks Draymond

雷霆球迷:多亏了追梦,ESPN又能多聊几个月这档子破事儿了

[–]KlaysToaster 959 指標 9小時前

guys this isn't even a hot take. Multiple players have said the Suns are a terrible organization. Draymond isn't saying the Suns have to trade him lol hes speaking from the players standpoint and that Booker could thrive and win on another team

追梦这次说得也不过分啊。好几个球员都说过太阳很差。追梦又没说太阳得送走布克,哈哈哈,他只是站在球员的角度,表示布克可以在其他球队功成名就。

[–][OKC] Raymond Felton DTttfu 492 指標 9小時前

I don’t pretend to know the inner workings of how a team operates but they have Ayton, bridges and finally a solid point guard in Rubio to pair with book. Obviously it’s a small sample size, but they seem to be working well in the bubble. My man is 23 y’all are way too impatient. Draymond saying this on the biggest basketball show on tv does nothing but stir up shit

雷霆球迷:我对球队的内部运作不感兴趣,可是太阳有艾顿、布里奇斯,并且找到了卢比奥这个实力控卫来搭档布克。虽说复赛后的场次样本量很小,可他们貌似合作得蛮好。布克才23啊,你们也太没耐心了吧。追梦在全美最大的篮球节目上说这些,摆明了就是挑事儿。

[–]Suns sunsbr 60 指標 7小時前

The entire season is a small sample size? Because Booker, Ayton, Rubio, Bridges have a +12 net rating this season when they on the court together, this bubble is not a fluke, we were doing this all season. Payne and Saric are the diference makers in the bubble providing scoring from the bench.

太阳球迷:难道这整个赛季都是小样本?当布克、艾顿、卢比奥和布里奇斯一同在场时,我们这赛季的净效率值是+12,这次复赛的表现可不是侥幸,我们整个赛季都是如此。佩恩和萨里奇是复赛的X因素,因为他俩提供了板凳火力。

[–][LAL] Kyle Kuzma ZombieJesusOG 86 指標 8小時前

The Suns suck as an organization. They had a great shot at a title and instead of maximizing their window they went cheap and let valuable pieces go to avoid luxory taxes. I get not every team can afford unlimited spending but when they had Nash they should have at least gone all in for a couple of seasons.

湖人球迷:太阳的管理层很烂。他们当年有机会夺冠,却没有最大化利用这个窗口期,而是为了占便宜躲避奢侈税放走了有实力的球员。不是每支队伍都能无节制地花钱,这个我懂,可他们拥有纳什那会儿,至少就应该豁出去一两个赛季。

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[–]Eduardjm 16 指標 8小時前

Coming from a guy that would’ve been a perennial lotto team in GS if not for generational talents Steph and Klay who advanced the style of the game that dominates the game today, and who can’t do what Booker does, I find this irritating. And yet, he’ll get a mic for as long as he wants for his “takes”, because of the coat tails he rode on.

这话从追梦嘴里说出来还是蛮气人的,毕竟他自己要不是身边有库里和克莱这种划时代的天才球星,那也是长年待在乐透区球队,并且布克能做的他自己还做不到。不过呢,只要他愿意发表“观点”,就能有表达的机会,因为他能沾光啊。

[–]Celtics hurricanehershel 45 指標 8小時前

Get Draymond off the Warriors so he can be average somewhere else

凯尔特人球迷:把追梦从勇士弄走吧,这样他就能去其他地方碌碌无为了。

[–]Cavaliers TheSmokedSalmon420 76 指標 9小時前

openly saying shit like this sucks.

The media would rather players leave and form super teams than be the next Dirk/Kobe of a franchise.

骑士球迷:公开说这种屁话很操蛋。

不过比起成为球队的下一个德克或科比,媒体更希望看到球队离队去组建超级球队。

[–]Jvega667 12 指標 8小時前

Its definitely good for the NBA to have a current player crossover to media just to shit talk a team currently fighting for a playoff spot and opine for their best player to go somewhere else. Thats a good way to get people to care about the nba forsure.

像追梦这种现役球员上节目去说一支正在争夺季后赛席位的球队的不是,并且撺掇他们最好的球员离队,这对NBA绝对是好事。这种方式肯定能让普通人关注NBA。

[–]Lakers RawDogMeDaddy669 9 指標 10小時前

is chuck and dray buddies now?

湖人球迷:巴克利和追梦现在都成哥们儿了吗?

[–]Pacers KobeFakedHisDeath 791 指標 10小時前

Draymond is built for this. Will say all sorts of shit on air to get people writing articles and making salty reddit posts about his hot takes. And he couldn't care less.

步行者球迷:追梦就适合干这些。他会公开说各种屁话,给记者提供写作素材,然后还能让人PO一些酸不溜秋的帖子。然而他并不在乎这些。

[–]LilDumpStain 62 指標 8小時前

Fuck Draymond Green, all my homies hate Draymond Green - Salty redditors

酸不溜秋的键盘侠表示:“沙雕追梦,我的兄弟们都讨厌追梦”

[–]Clippers CounterstrainGang 363 指標 9小時前

I like him more than Perk.

快船球迷:比起帕金斯,我更喜欢追梦

[–]Super 8Kawhi_is_a_Fungi 339 指標 9小時前

that's a low bar tho

你标准也够低的

[–]Suns Glowwerms 62 指標 9小時前

There’s just no winning if you’re a small market team (and btw not even sure how we’re considered small market when Phoenix is pretty damn big). If you don’t do well people say dumb shit like this, if you do win people still say dumb shit like this

太阳球迷:如果你是一支小球会球队,那就不要谈什么成功了。如果你做得不好,就会有人说这些蠢话,如果你成功了,还是会有人说这些。

[–]Raptors Raptors2017champs 8 指標 8小時前

I agree to an extent. Idk what Draymonds reason is, but I dont trust Sarver at all to allow you to pay for a contender.

猛龙球迷:我有点认同追梦说的。我不知道他的出发点是啥,但是我的确不相信萨沃尔(太阳老板)会花钱打造争冠球队。

[–]Suns TropangTexter 32 指標 9小時前

Make the playoffs next season and this take will start to die down. I get why it persists because of the last few years, but there is genuine upside and opportunity and it's on the Suns to do the job themselves to start to kill off this narrative.

One thing for fans on /r/NBA and RealGM to be saying this but not a good look for a current NBA player to be saying this out loud though.

太阳球迷:下赛季打进季后赛,追梦的这种论调自然就会消失了。这种说法为啥一直有,因为过去几年我们表现不好,可如今确实是有起色和机会,这就得靠这帮太阳球员做好自己的工作,让这种论调过时。

一般球迷和总经理说这种话是一码事,可你让一个现役球员公开说这些,面子挂不住啊。

[–]Warriors greg112358132134 9 指標 8小時前

rooting for you guys and I bet Draymond lowkey is too

勇士球迷:我支持你们,并且我猜追梦其实也是挺你们的

[–]Suns defiantraindrop 6 指標 7小時前

Draymond talks so much shit for someone who has been carried his entire career. This year without Steph and Klay is exactly how he would have played his entire career if he didn’t have them. Most overrated player of the last 20 years and it’s not even close. Go fuck yourself Draymond and leave my dad alone

太阳球迷:追梦可真是满嘴喷粪,他自己整个生涯都是抱大腿的。这赛季没了库里和克莱才是他职业生涯应有的表现。他是过去20年最被高估的球员,第二名看不到他尾灯。

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[–]Rockets yooston 1214 指標 10小時前

Isn’t Phoenix liked by NBA players for weather and proximity to LA/Vegas? I know the Suns have had a rough decade but they’re not the worst franchise of all time either.

火箭球迷:菲尼克斯天气好,又靠近洛杉矶和拉斯维加斯,很多NBA球员不是很喜欢那里吗?我知道太阳过去十年很糟糕,不过他们也不算是史上最菜球队啊

[–]Suns Just_A_Glitch 997 指標 10小時前

Up until the last few seasons, we were a top 5 most winning franchise in the NBA. People forget that the Suns are historically a good franchise, we've just recently been set back by a bad front office and an owner that is on par with Dolan-levels of awful.

太阳球迷:在最近这些年之前,我们的胜率一度能排到联盟前五。很多人都忘了,太阳以前也是辉煌过的,只是这些年被稀烂的管理层和一个堪比多兰的老板拖了后腿。

[–]Archer-Saurus 641 指標 9小時前

We're historically playoff contenders. This past decade has been like watching a completely different franchise.

Oakland is like the 19th most winning franchise in league history. Literally my entire life they were a joke team, until they drafted Steph.

So, what, Steph should have bailed out of OAK? C'mon man.

I guess Draymond has a lot of time to think about this with his ass outside the bubble.

咱们以前也是季后赛常客的。最近这十年完全变了样。

就历史总胜场来说,金州勇士大概排在第19吧,在选中库里之前,他们基本就是个笑话。

所以呢,照追梦的思路,库里当初难道该离开奥克兰?拜托

我觉得追梦在园区外边儿还是好好想想吧。

[–][CHO] Kemba Walker multiple4 122 指標 9小時前

Exactly. And Draymond is out here acting like GS is some historically great franchise

公牛球迷:就是。在追梦看来,仿佛勇士祖上很阔一样。

[–]wiggins-better 50 指標 9小時前*

6 championships. A lot of bad years but still sparks of success with the Warriors. They are behind the Celtics, Lakers, and tied with the Bulls in rings

6个冠军啊。虽说很多年沉沦,可还是间断取得过成功。他们的冠军数仅次于凯尔特人和湖人,与公牛持平。

[–]Lakers AirCincy 21 指標 8小時前

He still has a point though. And I'd easily put the spurs ahead of GS historically off the top of my head.

湖人球迷:不过那人也没说错啊。要论历史的话,我第一反应就是马刺在勇士之前。

[–]twoheadedboah 219 指標 9小時前*

I see what y’all are saying.... but at the same time, the last ten years is really all that matters when it comes to this stuff

Edit: to clarify, I’m saying that when a player determines whether or not a team is a desirable location, they’re not looking at how good they were in the 80’s or 90’s, they’re looking at how they’ve done lately

我知道你们想表达什么……可就事论事的说,追梦说的这事儿真的只和过去十年有关啊。

编辑:我再说清楚些,当一个球员决定一个球队是否想去的时候,他们不会看这个球队80年代、90年代有多强,他们在乎的是最近几年。

[–]Raptors DaPhoToss 29 指標 9小時前

The past doesn’t matter at all with all the turnover in FO positions and players. No one would want to be in Detroit right now even though they’ve had good teams in the past. More than a decade or two removed the FO is almost always different, so it really has no baring on present success.

On the flip side no one would say that you shouldn’t go to a historically bad team that’s done well in the past decade, such as GS.

猛龙球迷:好汉不提当年勇。就好比说现在没人想去底特律,哪怕他们以前那么强大。10年或20年,管理层一换真的是大不相同,这对当下的成就真没啥影响。

反过来说,要是一支球队过去十年打得很好,但是以前稀烂,也没人会说你不该去那儿,比如勇士。

[–]z0diac_r11 88 指標 9小時前

Cavs are still the worst. They just got lucky they drafted Lebron

骑士就还是最菜的啊。他们只是幸运地选中了詹姆斯

[–]Kings Tactial_snail 138 指標 9小時前

got lucky LeBron is from Ohio too otherwise he would've never returned

国王球迷:他们幸运是因为詹姆斯是是俄亥俄人,不然他绝不会回归的。

[–]76ers clewgeal 21 指標 8小時前

No the clippers are the worst historically and it's not even close.

76人球迷:不,快船才是祖上最穷的,其他队都靠边站。

[–]Clippers bonerang 20 指標 8小時前

Yep, people have a real short memory for this kind of stuff. A few good years in the lob city era and now with Ballmer buying the team and us landing Kawhi everyone seems to have forgotten the 40 or so years of us being complete garbage.

快船球迷:是的,很多人的记忆都挺短暂的。我们经历了几年空接之城,现在又是鲍尔默入主之后拿下了小卡,大家貌似都忘了我们曾经40多年的菜鸡历史。

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[–]Suns ChrisAZ480 56 指標 10小時前

Yeah we should trade him after having what was on pace to be a +16 win season, nearly doubling our win total from last season, and finally having a very quality young core after two different rebuilds.

太阳球迷:是是是,我们这赛季的胜场都快是上赛季两倍了,经过两个不同的重建期总算是有了一个非常有实力的年轻核心团队,就该趁此机会把他送走==

[–][TOR] Fred VanVleet dxing2 7 指標 8小時前

Right cause only 4-5 teams are good for a players career. Why don’t we just put every good player on those teams and cancel the rest of the league.

猛龙球迷:对,因为整个联盟就只有四五个队对球员的生涯有益。要不咱们干脆把每个好球员都集中到那些队,其余队伍都解散呗?

[–]Trail Blazers Nightbynight 111 指標 10小時前

If Phoenix were 0-5 and had been shit all year with Ayton I'd say yeah, Booker should go elsewhere.

But that's not the case. They've had some organization problems if I recall correctly but they seem to be on the right track. Not sure why Dray is being a little bitch here other than Dray just regularly being a little bitch.

开拓者球迷:如果太阳复赛后0胜5负,而且艾顿能打的时候整个赛季都稀烂,那我会认同追梦,布克该离开。

可实际不是这样啊。他们以前的确有很多管理层的问题,可貌似现在是步入正轨了啊。不知道追梦为啥这么贱,难道是因为他就是这种人?

[–]Suns TropangTexter 57 指標 10小時前

Draymond is friends with Josh Jackson and probably has that line of thinking based on how he thinks the Suns did Josh Jackson wrong.

太阳球迷:追梦和约什-杰克逊是朋友,也许他觉得太阳以前亏待了杰克逊,所以说这些抱不平。

[–]jeru_thedamaja 104 指標 8小時前

Booker is only 23, Ayton 20, Kelly 23, etc. There is more than enough time for guys to build something there.

布克才23,艾顿20岁,乌布雷23。他们建功立业的时间还多得很呢。

[–]Exile OnBroadStreet 13 指標 3小時前

Most star players don’t win until they’re like 28, but everyone completely ignores that and wants to blow up teams before players mature.

Teams lose for a handful of years before they get great. That’s just how it generally works. The stars at the top of the league (LeBron (well maybe not), Steph, Durant, Kawhi, etc) will age out and the current young crop that can’t seem to win now will take over.

大部分球星直到28岁才功成名就,可是大家完全忽略了这些,老想着在球员成熟前就打散球队。

很多球队在实力强大之前都会输几年球。就是这个模式啊。联盟里的顶级球星(詹姆斯-或许不会、库里、杜兰特和小卡等人)会老去,现在那些没有成就的新秀到时候就会成为后浪。

[–]Mavericks pingpongplayas 323 指標 10小時前

I think Phoenix is on the cusp of really turning it around. I trust James Jones as the GM and Ayton is very promising

独行侠球迷:我觉得菲尼克斯就快要翻身了。我相信詹姆斯-琼斯当总经理的能力,而且艾顿也很有前途。

[–]Lakers funrun8242 156 指標 9小時前

I think it's more about the owner. Is He willing to pay the taxes to build a great team around Booker and Ayton?

湖人球迷:重点还是老板吧。他愿意围绕布克和艾顿去付税费打造一支强队吗?

[–]Suns TropangTexter 73 指標 9小時前

the taxes is a fair question but they've built a solid enough group around Booker and Ayton IMO. Just a bit more bench depth is needed.

Their starting lineup was one of the best units in the NBA and Rubio really did a lot to increase the floor of this team.

That said, the luxury tax is a fair question but we will cross that bridge when it comes

太阳球迷:税费确实是个问题,不过我们已经围绕布克和艾顿建立了一支足够靠谱的团队,只需要再多些板凳深度。

我们的首发阵容是联盟最强组合之一,卢比奥确实大大提升了这支队伍的下限。

话虽如此,奢侈税确实是个问题,不过咱还是走一步看一步吧。

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