【键盘侠】LBJ首度加冕助攻王|老詹传球功力是Top5还是Top10?

For the first time in his career LeBron James won the assist title during the regular season.

LeBron James averaged 10.3 assists a game during the 2019-2020 NBA season.

本赛季,詹姆斯场均送出10.3次助攻,这是他17年NBA生涯第一次成为联盟单赛季助攻王。

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[–]Clippers ss2_Zekka 151 指標 9小時前

Washed king huh?

快船球迷:这就是你们口中过气的国王?

[–]NoMad435 165 指標 6小時前

Incredible career.

He came out of the gates with a shaky shot, in his mid 30s he continues to be a better shooter.

Mid 30s, leads the league in assists for the first time.

People talked about him appointing his friends to run his empire and made some questionable PR decisions, they got better and now are among the most powerful and respected forces you gotta deal with in the NBA.

He came up without a father figure and by all accounts paves the best blueprint for his sons and daughter

He didn't goto college, and is now using his platform and power to fulfill his promise to help kids like he was without the right guidance find ways to empower others.

The kid from inner city Akron embodies the American dream, a growth mindset, and leadership. If he hasn't converted you to a fan or at least respect what hes capable of doing, you're not paying attention!

这职业生涯太强悍了。

生涯初期投篮还不稳定,到了30多岁打磨成了一个更强的投手,居然还能首度加冕助攻王。

大家以前说他不该安排身边人(米姆斯、卡特和里奇-保罗)打理自己的商业帝国,他们还做出过一些饱受质疑的公关决定,结果这些人越来越厉害,如今已经是联盟里有头有脸的人物了。

他自小就缺乏父爱,一路走来却通过各种努力为自己的儿女提供了最为优渥的成长环境。

他没有念过大学,如今却利用自己的平台和影响力去兑现当初的诺言,他要帮助那些像当年的自己一样缺乏正确引导的孩子们。

这个从小城阿克伦走出的小孩儿正是美国梦、成长型思维和领导力的具体体现。如果你没有喜欢上他,或者说至少对于他的所作所为予以尊重,那你就是漠不关心。

[–]Lizardking13 14 指標 2小時前

Damn you've just summarized it all incredibly well. LeBron is amazing. And I'm not even a LeBronStan

我不是老詹死忠粉,可我觉得你概括得太好了,老詹确实很出色。

[–]throwawaythursday99 121 指標 9小時前*

Listed as a PG this season but traditionally not one. Wonder when the last non-backcourt player won the APG title, or if this was a first. Wilt led the league in total assists in '68 -- think they were crediting totals then still and not averages (Oscar had the higher APG)

詹姆斯这赛季注册的位置是控卫,不过他一贯以来并不是这个角色。我倒很想知道上一个非后场球员得到助攻王是啥时候,又或者说这是头一遭。67/68赛季张伯伦的总助攻数领跑全联盟,可我觉得当时大家是在刻意突出总数而非场均数(奥斯卡-罗伯逊的场均助攻更多)。

[–]Heat shotrob 13 指標 6小時前

Jokic next

热火球迷:下一个就是约基奇了

[–][MIN] Wally Szczerbiak blacbear 8 指標 6小時前

Great passer but don't ever see him winning a passing title.

森林狼球迷:他的传球是很棒,但我觉得他压根不可能得助攻王

[–]Heat shotrob 7 指標 5小時前

If MPJ and Murray blossom into 20+ PPG scorers it could happen

热火球迷:假如小波特和穆雷能双双爆发场均20+,那还有可能

[–]Grizzlies preddevils6 107 指標 8小時前

Traditional roles are kind of meaningless for some players. LeBron functions as the point guard for the Lakers, and he did quite a bit for the Heat too.

灰熊球迷:传统位置对于某些球员来说意义并不大。詹姆斯这赛季在湖人扮演的角色就是控卫,而且他在热火时期也没少干这事儿。

[–]Pistons Karl-Hevacheck 9 指標 6小時前

I mean lebrons basically been a PG since he was drafted.

活塞球迷:我觉得吧,詹姆斯自打选秀过后就基本是个控卫。

[–]Pistons Historical-Regret 46 指標 4小時前

I went to a game in LeBron's rookie year. Had pretty good seats, so you could see a lot of details.

LeBron's passing was the thing that changed the defense the most. When he had the ball, no matter how far from the basket he was, they were on alert and talking like I've never seen a team do before. You could tell they were extremely concerned about his passing.

活塞球迷:我去现场看过一次詹姆斯处子赛季的比赛。我的位置蛮好,可以看得到很多细节。

当时老詹的传球是最让对手防线紧张的武器。当他持球时,不管他距离篮筐多远,对手都是神经紧绷,我之前还从未看过这阵势。你明显能感觉到,对手对于詹姆斯的传球极度小心。

[–]76ers vin1223 53 指標 7小時前

Most of the star players can basically play 2-3 positions at this point

76人球迷:如今这个年代大多数球星基本都能打两到三个位置。

[–]Cavaliers HK4sixteen 24 指標 6小時前

Harden's basically been a PG for years now

骑士球迷:哈登这几年基本就是个控卫打法。

[–]Pistons DMan9797 14 指標 2小時前

Basically there are ball handlers, wings (off ball slashers/3&D), and bigs.

活塞球迷:现在的场上位置大概就分三类,持球人、侧翼和内线。

[–]Nets Bigbadbuck 14 指標 7小時前

joins a handful of players to lead the league in scoring and assists. Oscar, harden, westbrook, and west? I think thats pretty much it. probably wilt as well. I could see guys like luka and trae gunning for this eventually as well

篮网球迷:老詹这是和几个同时领跑得分和助攻榜的人比肩了吧?奥斯卡、哈登、威少和韦斯特?我觉得就这些人了吧。兴许还有张伯伦。我觉得以后东契奇和吹羊这种球员也能加入。

[–]Lakers Skorua 615 指標 9小時前

It's not fair he can pass towards the rim and get free assists

湖人球迷:不公平啊,老詹的传球可以扔过筐,那助攻不就是白捡的嘛==

[–]QUEST50012 177 指標 9小時前

Is this like the uncontested rebounds trope

就像没有争抢的篮板不算篮板一样==

[–]Nuggets Piano_Fingerbanger 67 指標 6小時前

It could also be alluding to AD being by far the best finisher he's ever played with

掘金球迷:对对对,这也就是他碰到了戴维斯,毕竟是他生涯至今遇到的最强终结者==

[–]Lakers Otharp 24 指標 5小時前

Not only that, but both JaVale and Dwight can seemingly catch every oop thrown at them no matter how bad the pass is.

湖人球迷:没那么简单哦,还有麦基和霍华德这种空接神器,詹姆斯只要扔了就能蹭助攻,管他扔得好不好==

[–]Celtics atlanticrim 99 指標 7小時前

“Most are cheap assists, not like Luca’s” -Bill Simmons

凯尔特人球迷:比尔-西蒙斯(知名詹黑):“詹姆斯大部分助攻都很简单,不如东契奇的。”

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[–]Warriors p-wing 11 指標 8小時前

nothing about this season has been "regular"

勇士球迷:这赛季就没有啥是“常规”的。

[–]Lakers redplaneteer 167 指標 8小時前

i remember earlier this season or last season when JVG said lebron is one of the best passers of all time and mark jackson got all huffy and offended

湖人球迷:记不清是这赛季出还是上赛季那会儿,杰夫-范甘迪说詹姆斯是史上最强传球手之一的时候,马克-杰克逊立马炸毛了,他觉得自己被冒犯了……

[–]Nets Yup767 83 指標 5小時前

That's because Mark Jackson probably thinks he's up there because he's 4th in assists all time, when he clearly isn't really close to that discussion

篮网球迷:那是因为马克-杰克逊大概觉得自己才是那个档次的,因为他的历史总助攻数排在第四,可现实是大家压根就不会聊到他。

[–]Timberwolves the___heretic 43 指標 4小時前

Mark Jackson is just a cunt in general.

森林狼球迷:他就是个龟孙子。

[–]Mavericks PubicAnimeNummerJuan 56 指標 8小時前

It really is a ball-handler's league huh? I count 8 players who are in the top 20 of both PPG and APG (LeBron, Trae, Luka, Dame, Harden, Fox, Westbrook, and D Book), and Beal just barely missed the assist mark that would've made it 9. I don't remember there ever being so many players who could score and facilitate this well

独行侠球迷:所以现在真就是持球人的联盟了咯?我数了数,这赛季大概有8个人(詹姆斯、吹羊、东契奇、利拉德、哈登、福克斯、威少和布克)的均分和场均助攻都在联盟前20,比尔就助攻差了点火候。我还真不记得以前出现过同时有这么多球员得分组织两把都抓得稳的年代。

[–]Supersonics rjcarr 47 指標 8小時前

It's more of a catch-and-shoot game compared to an iso game of the earlier eras.

超音速球迷:比起早些年那种动辄单打的风格,现在的联盟更倾向接球就投。

[–][LAL] James Worthy Chevy_Nova_Forever 17 指標 8小時前

It’s because the league has giving their best players the green light. We’re in a run and gun era instead of a play running era. It’s good for stats but I’m sure a lot of historical stats are going to be broken sooner than later.

湖人球迷:那是因为现在联盟各队给了队里的头牌充分的自由度。咱们正处于一个讲求快速进攻的跑轰时代,而不是以前那种战术依赖的年代。现在这种是可以提高球员数据的,不过我觉得很多历史数据迟早会被超越。

[–]Bulls Lone_Phantom 8 指標 7小時前

Im confused. I feel like teams run plays but its a lot of off ball action instead of on ball. Does pnr count as a play because we'll see that a lot in the playoffs.

公牛球迷:那我就不懂了。我感觉现在球队也很注重战术布置啊,不过大量侧重于无球,而非有球。挡拆应该算战术吧,因为这在季后赛很常见。

[–][LAL] James Worthy Chevy_Nova_Forever 15 指標 6小時前

I didn’t word it properly my bad. I’m not the smartest so I have trouble articulating my thoughts. Let me give it a shot though.

So when I said teams don’t run as much plays as they used to I didn’t mean it literal. I meant it more so as they give their superstar ball handlers the green light to make decisions on the fly. Back in the 2000’s there was a set play almost every time down the court while in today’s league I feel like there’s more hunting for mismatches and running a free flowing offense. There’s nothing wrong with that I don’t mean it as disrespect. It’s just the way the game has evolved.

湖人球迷:我措辞不合理,我的锅。毕竟我也不是顶级智商嘛。我再试试。

所以当我说如今的球队不像以前那么常见地跑出战术布置时,并不能按字面意思理解。而是说,他们会给予队里的超巨自由人在电光火石之间做决策的完全自由。再看回世纪初,基本每次都会落位按战术布置跑出进攻机会,而现在则是更多地追求错位,从而保障进攻的流畅自如。这没什么不对的,就是比赛方式的演进。

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[–]Lakers yungtatha 92 指標 9小時前

Top 10 passer of all time, easily.

湖人球迷:历史前十传球手,轻而易举。

[–]Kings EndlessDysthymia 127 指標 9小時前

Top 10 just to be safe? He’s definitely Top 5 all time, if not higher.

国王球迷:这么保守的吗?他的传球水准最次也是历史前五。

[–]Lakers yungtatha 73 指標 9小時前

Yeah I would put Magic, Stockton, Nash, and maybe Kidd ahead of him. Chris Paul is also a good candidate for that 5th spot.

湖人球迷:是的,我觉得他前面也就魔术师、斯托克顿、纳什,大概再加个基德。第五的位置保罗也很有竞争力。

[–]Damn Reality 54 指標 7小時前

Love Bron but no way you could put him over Chris Paul. Just look at CP3’s career AST/TO ratio (9.5/2.4) to Bron’s (7.4/3.5).

我很喜欢老詹,但他绝对不可能在保罗前面。你先看看保罗生涯的助攻失误比(9.5/2.4),再看看老詹的吧(7.4/3.5)

[–]HostilesAhead_BF-05 10 指標 3小時前

Really different roles.

两个人职责分工完全不同啊

[–]Damn Reality 6 指標 3小時前

True, another reason I would give it to CP3, the dude who’s job is to be a great passer. It’s incredible how good LeBron is at passing despite his different role but that’s not a reason that makes him better.

那是,我觉得保罗更厉害还有别的原因,这老兄的工作就是成为一个伟大的传球手。老詹尽管角色不一样但依然把传球做得非常出色,这很了不起,但这不足以让他超过保罗。

[–][SAS] Robert Horry PimpTheGandalf 33 指標 8小時前

Ye top 10 I wouldn't argue, but top 5 nah, LeBron is an amazing passer, but hard to be better than that top5

马刺球迷:是的,你说老詹传球历史前十我不否认,可历史前五就扯了,他确实是个出色的传球手,但要进入历史前五还是挺难的。

[–]Nets Bigbadbuck 28 指標 7小時前

This is the first year where lebron has really not been the primary scorer of his team in his entire career. All of the other top assist guys were not the leading scorers of their team. Lebron might average 10+ assists for the next 2 years.

篮网球迷:就詹姆斯整个职业生涯而言,这赛季还是他头一次不是队内的第一得分手。那些历史顶级助攻手全都不是各自队里的头号得分手。所以接下来两年,老詹的场均助攻也许能破10.

[–]Raptors mikekowa 13 指標 9小時前

I think LeBron is better than everyone listed except for Magic, because of his size and strength. He can make weird contorted one handed passes straight into a chest of a shooter half court away.

猛龙球迷:就魔术师、斯托克顿、纳什、基德和保罗这些人比较的话,我觉得老詹的传球仅次于魔术师,因为他兼具身形和力量。他可以在半场开外,并且姿势怪异走样的情形下,单手直接准确地把球输送到射手的胸前。

[–]Magic YouCanCallMeAlFarouq 35 指標 9小時前

I would suggest checking some highlights of Nash and Kidd before you decide. They did some crazy shit too.

And I don’t exactly see why strength and size would decide how they’re better passers.

魔术球迷:我建议你说这话前先看看纳什和基德的集锦。他们也有不少神级助攻的。

并且我真不懂为啥身形和力量能决定传球的强弱。

[–][LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbenga honditar 6 指標 8小時前

Lol come on, how you gonna assume the guy has literally never seen Kidd and Nash play hahaha

I've been a fan since the Shaq days in LA, and a hardcore fan since about '06. There are people who match the vision of Lebron (Nash, Kidd, CP3), but his strength, size, and ability to manipulate defenses makes him the best passer I've ever seen. He's able to find/create passing opportunities that those guys cant

湖人球迷:呵呵呵,拜托,你咋就知道人家从未看过基德和纳什打球呢?

奥尼尔时期我就是湖蜜了,大概在06年那会儿成为死忠粉。传球视野可以和老詹相比的球员(纳什、基德和保罗)的确有,但他的力量、身材和戏耍对方防线的能力让我觉得他就是我所见过的最强传球手。纳什这些人没法找到没法创造出的机会,老詹做得到。

[–]Suns Designer_B 2 指標 7小時前

Man you can't put him over Nash are you joking?

太阳球迷:天呐,你居然觉得老詹的传球比纳什厉害,开玩笑呢?

[–][LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbenga honditar 10 指標 6小時前

No, I'm not joking. I respect you coming to bat for your guy though.

Nash was obviously more of a passer, role-wise. But Lebron's traits allow him to access and execute passes that Nash could never dream of.

Lebron is the best I've ever seen at being able to reliably deliver the ball as quickly and accurately as possible to any spot on the court from any spot on the court.

湖人球迷:不,我认真地。欢迎来辩。

很显然,就职责来说,纳什比老詹更像个传球手。但是老詹的特质使得他可以实现一些纳什压根就想象不到的传球。

就从球场任何位置到其他任一位置精准快速且稳定的输送球而言,我觉得詹姆斯是最强的。

[–]Raptors mikekowa 30 指標 9小時前

Haha, I'm an old man so I watched them play.

The strength and size plays a role in how fast he can get the ball to his destination and the off-angles he can pass from. Strength plays a part of why LeBron is an elite passer, it's not a huge factor but it gives him an edge.

猛龙球迷:哈哈哈,我年纪大,这些人的球赛都看过。

要掌握传球的速度和一些非常规角度出球的稳定性的话,老詹的力量和身材还是挺重要的。老詹之所以能成为一名顶级传球手,与他的力量不无关系,这不是很关键的因素,但使得他具备了一些优势。

[–]Magic YouCanCallMeAlFarouq 5 指標 8小時前

Ok I guess I can see that. How high do you think Jokic or Arvydas should rank then, since we’re incorporating in factors like those

魔术球迷:行吧,我大概懂了。既然你们提到了身材和力量,那你们怎么评价约基奇和萨博尼斯这种内线的传球手活呢?

[–]Pelicans LiveSlowDieWhenevr34 11 指標 8小時前

Jokic, if he continues his trajectory, will go down as the best passing big of all time. Currently he's only trailing Wilt Chamberlain in stats. He's definitely passed Arvydas in the eye test.

How that equates with the non-bigs? Honestly, it's really hard to tell. I think keeping it all in a Bigs and Non-Bigs categories makes it easier to define.

鹈鹕球迷:如果约基奇继续这种成长轨迹,那他会成为史上最强的传球型内线。目前来说,他仅仅是在数据方面有那么点像张伯伦。不过肉眼可见的是,他肯定是超过了萨博尼斯的。

那么他们可以和那些非内线球员比较吗?说实话,真的不好说。我觉得还是分成内线和非内线两类更容易定义一些。

[–]Magic YouCanCallMeAlFarouq 7 指標 9小時前

I think #5 is the right spot for him. Magic, Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Lebron. Idk who else could really be argued over Bron at that point. Big O? Chris Paul? Idk, I feel like that’s a good top 5, with a little wiggle room on the ordering. Top 5 overall is pretty ridiculous for a non PG

魔术球迷:我觉得老詹排在历史第五是合适的。魔术师、斯托克顿、纳什、基德、詹姆斯。不知道还有谁能排在詹姆斯前面,大O?保罗?不好说啊,我觉得这个前五还是蛮准确的,顶多就是顺序可以稍作调整。对于一个非控卫球员而言,传球历史前五已经相当了不起了。

[–]Kings EndlessDysthymia 7 指標 9小時前

Nah you’re right. It feels weird leaving off CP3 though.

国王球迷:你说得很对。不过少了保罗总觉得很怪异。

[–][TOR] Delon Wright DelonWright 2 指標 9小時前

Oscar Robertson gotta be top 5.

猛龙球迷:奥斯卡必须进前五。

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[–]Say-WaddupMolePeople 8 指標 7小時前

While I think that D Wade is an amazing player, I think that Anthony Davis is just so much better this season than D Wade was when he played with Lebron. AD is looking like a top 3-4 player in the league not even exaggerating. And its good that AD is such a great player, because it really compliments the way that Lebron is adjusting his game to pass more. Exciting to see this team go against the Clippers.

虽说在我看来当年的韦德非常出色,可我觉得这赛季的戴维斯比当年和老詹并肩战斗的韦德就是要强很多。不夸张地说,如今的戴维斯大概是联盟前三前四级别的球星。也正是得益于戴维斯的出色,才使得老詹可以踏实地调整比赛风格送出更多的传球。很想看看湖人和快船硬刚。

[–]Cozzie78 9 指標 6小時前

LeBron and Dwade had an insane effective FG% of like 65% in there best years. Don't get me wrong AD is great but, Lebron and Dwades chemistry was on another level.

詹姆斯和韦德合作的最佳时期,他俩能贡献出高效到离谱的65%的投篮命中率。戴维斯确实厉害,可是,詹姆斯和韦德之间的化学反应是另一个级别的。

[–]Say-WaddupMolePeople 6 指標 6小時前

Yeah, but AD is a lot better for spacing and opening up shooters and othe players.

I mean AD is a lot more efficient in general. His TS is 61% this season. D Wade's best season TS was 58.8% (2013-2014 season) averaging significantly less ppg than AD. I personally prefer AD in almost every way.

那是,可戴维斯拉开空间和为射手创造空位的机会比韦德强太多了。

我觉得,大致上来说,戴维斯要高效得多。他这赛季真实命中率高达61%。韦德真实命中率最高的一个赛季(13/14赛季)也就58.8%,均分也比戴维斯低不少。几乎从各个方面来说,我个人都更倾向戴维斯。

[–]return_of_the_ring 9 指標 5小時前

Not to mention he has only one eyebrow instead of two.

何况戴维斯只有一条眉毛==

[–]AD2020FMVP 5 指標 4小時前

Not to mention the third option differences. Wade and Bron had Bosh, We have Kuzma......

AD is the best team mate Bron has had. Wade has had the far better career but 27 year old AD > Old man Wade.

别忘了两个时期队里的第三进攻点上的差距。詹韦时期还有波什,现在咱们是库兹马……

戴维斯就是老詹遇到过的最佳队友。韦德的职业生涯成就高得多,但是27岁的戴维斯还是比老男人韦德厉害。

[–]KevlaredMudkips -10 指標 8小時前

Hot take, I think Lebron did this just to disprove the narrative that he doesn’t pass enough or gets enough assists. Not denying this was a good season, but if you watch the film, he clearly overpasses and makes these sloppy mistakes.

斗胆说一句,我觉得詹姆斯对助攻王的追逐,就是为了刻意扭转之前那种他传球不够多或者助攻不够的舆论。我不否认他这赛季打得不错,可你要是看录像就知道了,他为了传球而传球,常常犯一些低级失误。

[–]Lakers bengalsfu 7 指標 8小時前*

Who even says that lebron doesn’t pass enough? Ever since he’s left the heat he seemed to shift towards being a facilitator.

湖人球迷:居然还有人说老詹传球不够?自打他离开热火之后,他就在向一个组织者转变。

[–]EerdayLit 1 指標 5小時前

No one leads the league in assists by accident, or by natural flow of the game. It's something you have to strive for. If the Lakers don't win it all this year (with such a stacked roster, my god their third big man could start on most teams); it's all on LeBron. Should've spent the year trying to make your teammates better instead of worrying about your stat sheet.

没人能碰巧成为联盟助攻王的,这就是需要争取的。如果湖人这赛季没有夺冠,那就是老詹背锅了。“你应该努力让队友更强,而不是操心个人数据。”

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