【键盘侠】奥胖点评哈登赴网|登哥此举成败全系于欧文一身?

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Shaq lays into James Harden on Inside The NBA.

TNT评球嘉宾奥尼尔评价了哈登被交易到篮网一事。

奥尼尔说:“你想要德怀特-霍华德,我们给你了,没成绩;你想要克里斯-保罗,我们给你了,没成绩;然后你又说要一些射手,我们也给了;然后你又要威少,你的兄弟,我们也给了,依旧没有成绩。所以你说为休斯敦付出了一切,我却认为你没有。因为在面临淘汰的5场比赛里,你只赢了1场,你三分球命中率只有24%,一共32次助攻却有27次失误。我以前也像哈登这样,经常抱怨‘天呐,你这也不行、那样不行’,我爸就怼我说‘你特么又做了些啥?’

哈登什么都没做,他没有在球队需要的时候为球队挺身而出。当你是老大、一年挣三四千万的时候,挺身而出就是你的责任。很多的关键时刻,该你发挥的时候你消失了。所以休斯敦有不少人很高兴他终于走了。他现在终于有了他的超级球队,他必须今年夺冠,如果他没能夺冠,那就太不行了。”

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[–]76ers DontBeAcunt_ 86 指標 14小時前

Shaq is always speaking facts

76人球迷:沙克老说大实话。

[–][NBA] Hakeem Olajuwon johnfcknallen 6294 指標 13小時前

Man if Harden is a big man, Shaq would curse Harden's whole family lmao

这哈登要是个内线球员的话,那奥尼尔不得问候他全家啊,哈哈哈

[–]Spurs LurkerFlash 47 指標 10小時前

Dude came prepared with numbers!

马刺球迷:奥尼尔这是带着数据有备而来啊!

[–]Timberwolves stallion_funk 254 指標 11小時前

Shaq is at his best when someone obviously deserves to be roasted

森林狼球迷:只要你是活该被喷,那奥尼尔就能发挥出最佳状态。

[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade not_a_bot__ 157 指標 10小時前

Shaq even roasted himself a bit to make the point, that’s rare.

热火球迷:为了阐述观点,奥尼尔甚至还自黑了一把,少见哦

[–]Warriors carrot_cockalorum 34 指標 7小時前

That's how you know he ain't bullshittin'

勇士球迷:所以你知道他不是乱放炮啊

[–]Warriors papoluca12 6633 指標 13小時前*3

Damn he ate him up and I don’t particularly disagree with it. People are too cool with the way superstars force themselves off teams when things don’t go their way. They did a lot for Harden in Houston to make it work for him. He’s a malcontent. This is probably the first time they didn’t give in to his request and he threw a tantrum and his teammates under the bus.

勇士球迷:擦,他一点情面不讲啊,说得我没法反驳。当局面不如意时,那些超巨就强行要走人,大家对此确实是太宽容了些。火箭为了哈登也是做了很多的。可他就是不满意。今年这也许是火箭第一次没按哈登要求来吧,结果他就不爽了,还背弃队友。

[–]LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO101 2589 指標 13小時前*

Harden’s case was above and beyond pretty much anything we’ve seen in recent times to be fair (Kawhi the only other one in the same realm for me). Honestly disgraceful way to force your way off a team. I’ve never liked Harden’s style of play but my dislike for him was always strictly on the court (while also acknowledging that he’s a top 2 scorer of the generation). These last few months have really soured my view of him overall. Partying during a pandemic instead of reporting to camp, coming to camp way overweight, and shitting on your teammates publicly. The PR hit he will take if they don’t win a chip will be big

哈登这次出走基本超越了咱们近年看过的任何类似事件(其他我能想到可以和哈登相比较的也就小卡)。以这种方式强行要求离队真的不光彩。我从未喜欢过哈登的打法,可我以前不喜欢他也都是挑剔他的场上发挥(但我也依然承认他是这代球员里前二的得分手)。这几个月进一步突破了我对他的整体认知。疫情期间不去参加球队训练营反而是去轰趴,来了训练营居然还身材严重走样,还当众向队友开炮。如果篮网不能夺冠,那哈登的公众形象肯定会大受打击的。

[–]Warriors HappyCrabDay 236 指標 12小時前

I'd argue he did give that team his all, except for this season. Anybody remember that stretch where he averaged like 50 PPG and carried the Rockets to a good record when all his other teammates were injured?

In the end, though, Harden's behavior got him what he wanted, and he was traded to a super team with KD and Kyrie, so one could ask why wouldn't he have done what he did. The Rockets fans still love and respect him, and even if the team hates him, they've got to clench their teeth at fear of alienating their fans and other players, as evidenced by the video the team just released wishing him the best.

Anyway, if the Nets end up doing well, nobody will remember or care what Harden did a month from now, just like they forgot about what AD, Jimmy Butler, and Kawhi did.

勇士球迷:我觉得他确实是为火箭付出了全部,除了这个赛季。还有人记得当初火箭伤兵满营的时候,是哈登场均近50分扛着火箭打出不错的战绩吗?

可是到最后呢,哈登用行动得到了自己想要的,被交易到了拥有阿杜和欧文的超级球队里,所以你也可说,凭啥哈登就不能这么做呢?火蜜们依然很爱他尊重他,哪怕球队本身很不爽他,为了不至于疏远球迷和其他球员,火箭也得忍着,从他们为哈登制作的祝福视频就能看出来。

反正呢,如果篮网打得好,那一个月之后就没人会记住更不会在乎哈登做了啥,就像大家忘掉当初戴维斯、巴特勒和小卡的离队操作一样。

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[–][GSW] Stephen Curry FLUSH_THE_TRUMP 3150 指標 12小時前

Are the Nets gonna implode if they don’t win this year?

勇士球迷:篮网本赛季要是没夺冠的话,他们会自爆吗?

[–]vlad_thegod 92 指標 11小時前

I don’t like the Nets nor Harden but I wanna see Nash succeed so hopefully they don’t

虽说我不喜欢篮网和哈登,可我希望纳什成功啊,所以希望他们还是不要自爆吧。

[–][POR] Brandon Roy sixseven89 2812 指標 12小時前

if they miss the Finals they definitely will.

开拓者球迷:如果进不了总决赛,篮网绝对会崩。

[–]Zorion_15 2524 指標 11小時前

Please let this be the second coming of the Clippers. I need the memes

那可赶紧的吧,让他们成为第二支快船。我想看戏!

[–]Warriors ssj2ness 50 指標 11小時前

Lol, it's gonna be outrageous

勇士球迷:哈哈哈哈,要真那样,那不得惊天动地啊

[–]Knicks CypressM 37 指標 11小時前

I can already imagine the amount toxicity Knicks fans would throw lmaoo

尼克斯球迷:我已经可以想象我们尼克斯球迷会放肆嘴臭,哈哈哈哈

[–]Lakers MelonElbows 282 指標 11小時前

Nah, they got 2 years for this experiment. Even if they lose this year, they still retool because they have no other choice

湖人球迷:不,篮网有两年的实验期。即便本赛季没能夺冠,他们还是会整装再发,因为他们也没别的选择。

[–]76ers TheOutsider1783 213 指標 11小時前

I think that if they lose in the Finals they may have a year 2. If they get eliminated before that then it is over. Harden and KD may be fine when it comes to chemistry but Kyrie is not. I don't know what that relationship is like but I know he keeps switching teams and the drama always follows. Kyrie will fuck it up if they don't make the finals and he may even fuck it up if they do.

76人球迷:篮网就算在总决赛输了,或许还会再战一年。如果还没打进总决赛就被淘汰了,那就嗝屁了。关于队内和谐,哈登和阿杜倒好说,欧文就不是了。

我也不知道这中间是怎样一种关系,可我知道,欧文走到哪儿作到哪儿。如果篮网今年进不了总决赛,那欧文就会作妖。甚至于即便篮网进了总决赛,欧文也有亲自下场的可能。

[–]76ers justchill76 57 指標 11小時前

My money would be on before the reach the playoffs. Some shit is going to go sour in that locker room.

76人球迷:我赌欧文会在季后赛之前作妖。他们那更衣室里肯定会出些幺蛾子。

[–]Lakers MelonElbows 87 指標 11小時前

I wouldn't be surprised if he does something weird to mess up chemistry. I guess we'll find out in a few months

湖人球迷:如果欧文一通诡异骚操作破坏和谐,我也觉得正常。估计咱们这几个月就能知道结果了。

[–]Lakers what_up_big_fella 103 指標 10小時前

Isn't he AWOL as we speak?

湖人球迷:欧文这会儿不就是在擅离职守吗?

[–][GSW] Andre Iguodala Gallardo147 65 指標 10小時前

It’s embarrassing honestly

勇士球迷:这操作真挺丢人的。

[–]Raptors Durantye 33 指標 10小時前

Just a few months ago people were starting to view him in a new light, how does this guy manage to turn everyone against him that efficiently?

猛龙球迷:仅仅几个月前,很多人还觉得欧文开始要改过自新了,这货咋就能如此高效地站到所有人的对立面呢?

[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozan jly911 31 指標 9小時前

I been a long time Kyrie fan. Thinking of him as misunderstood and maybe a little out of touch with reality, but I don't even know what to say. Like just do your job bro...

猛龙球迷:我喜欢欧文好久了。以前还觉得他被误解,或许与现实有点脱节,可我现在真不知道说啥了。哥,你好好打球不好嘛……

[–]Lakers MelonElbows 38 指標 8小時前

I would pay actual money for some reporter to ask him if KD's been like a father figure to him. Like, real money

湖人球迷:我愿意花真金白银请记者朋友们去问问欧文,阿杜对他而言是否像父亲一样。我真给钱的。

[–]Timberwolves frozensalad 54 指標 10小時前

Right before the playoffs he's gonna say that TV antenna frequencies are melting the polar ice caps, and then refuse to play if the games are televised.

森林狼球迷:今年季后赛快要开打的时候,欧文会说电视的天线频率正在融化极地冰盖,如果比赛还是有电视直播的话,他就拒绝出场。

[–]nasadiya_sukta 54 指標 10小時前

"Polar"? Dude doesn't believe in the north and south poles :-)

极地?我文压根就不信北极和南极的存在(¬◡¬)

[–]Raptors BriefAdvancement 397 指標 11小時前

Even if they win, I think they implode. They need a whole gang of therapists and sports psychologists to handle the shit they have now.

猛龙球迷:哪怕篮网夺冠了,我觉得他们也会自爆。他们必须得找一帮运动心理学家和治疗师来收拾现在的烂摊子。

[–][GSW] Stephen Curry FLUSH_THE_TRUMP 114 指標 11小時前

It’s quite the collection of talent, but also ego. I don’t see who’s going to be the reasonable glue guy. Kyrie?

勇士球迷:篮网确实是天赋满满,可也是满满的自负啊。我真看不出他们队里有谁能做那个黏合剂。难道是欧文?

[–]Thunder IWillKarateKickYou 88 指標 11小時前

Kyrie: "This dude with man boobs has the ball more than me i quit!"

雷霆球迷:文:“这个有乳房的家伙居然比我拿球更多,我不打了!”

[–]Hornets Jek_Porkinz 40 指標 9小時前

Hi I’m from the future and this happened

黄蜂球迷:我来自未来,你说的是真的。

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[–]Lakers Mibientus 597 指標 13小時前

Preach big man!

湖人球迷:这大个子还挺能说教的啊!

[–]Tampa Bay Raptors Raptors2017champs 502 指標 13小時前

Shaq DESTROYED Harden's bullshit with FACTS and LOGIC, unironically.

猛龙球迷:别闹,奥尼尔用事实和逻辑完虐了哈登的屁话。

[–][MIA] Udonis Haslem _Antonius 187 指標 13小時前

Shaq was like that in Orlando and Miami

热火球迷:可奥尼尔当年在奥兰多和迈阿密不也干过这种事儿嘛

[–]NBA jayswfitness 154 指標 13小時前

he acknowledged it and said he was the same way

他承认了啊,他说了自己也一样

[–]Heat radilrouge 324 指標 13小時前

If they offered the money he would have stayed on the Magic

热火球迷:如果当初球队愿意给钱的话,奥尼尔是会留在魔术的。

[–]prochthrowaway 206 指標 13小時前

Yeah, not fair to really bring up Orlando. Completely different situations.

是啊,拿奥兰多来比真不地道。完全是两码事啊

[–]JP200214 2685 指標 13小時前

r/nba loves shaq again

所以你们又爱上奥尼尔了是吗

[–]Nets creative_i_am_not 102 指標 12小時前

This actually was a fair take

篮网球迷:他这次说得很合理啊

[–]Tampa Bay Raptors NorthernBaskets 739 指標 12小時前

Shaq is insecure and lashes out. That is really my only issue with him. When he isn't needlessly defending his legacy (which no serious person questions, unless they're goofing on him), he's actually pretty funny and knows a thing or two about basketball

猛龙球迷:奥尼尔说话不牢靠又喜欢到处喷,我对他其实也就这一点不爽的。可当他不必为了维护自己的江湖地位而发言时,他其实挺好玩的,球评的业务能力也蛮强。

[–]NBA Snatch-Daddy 740 指標 13小時前

Shaq can be outlandish sometimes but I honestly respect that he's able to admit he was a diva and use it to give perspective to others. He's spot on here and as he says he lived the part so he definitely understands.

奥尼尔有时候虽说荒诞不羁,但他敢于承认自己当年是个戏精,并以此为论据去点评别人,这一点我还是蛮瑞思拜的。他这次说得很对,他都说自己也有过这种经历了,所以他肯定是明白状况的。

[–]Lakers Radiocureee 199 指標 10小時前

Absofuckinlutely. Shaq straight up saying he knows cause he did it.

湖人球迷:那可太特么对了。奥尼尔直接说了,他知道是因为他做过这事儿。

[–]Cavaliers Kgb725 48 指標 9小時前

Shaq is one of the few to understand its the nba but its also still business.

骑士球迷:理解哈登离队这事儿是NBA内部事务、同时也是生意的人很少,奥尼尔是其中之一。

[–]Bucks ahaddad321 100 指標 10小時前

Also Shaq earned his right to be a diva. MVP, scoring champ, 3x finals mvp, 4x champ. Harden is good but he doesn’t have the credibility to back himself up like Shaq does. When Shaq was in his prime, he was THE guy. Harden might be a legendary scorer, but if you can’t win it’s hard to call yourself THE guy.

雄鹿球迷:奥尼尔当年也有做戏精的资本啊。MVP、得分王、三届FMVP、4个总冠军。哈登很强,但他还没有奥尼尔这种能给自己撑腰的认可度啊。巅峰时期的奥尼尔,他就是天选之子。哈登也许是个传奇得分手,可如果没有冠军,那就很难说自己是天选之子。

[–]keanexs 22 指標 7小時前

Shaq is also tougher on himself than probably many others. He's admitted he could have been significantly better if he tried harder.

而且比起其他很多人,奥尼尔对自己也更狠一些。他自己都承认过,要是当年更努力些,那他还能强很多。

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[–][TOR] DeMar DeRozan KPIH 1160 指標 13小時前*

If you're the man, you got to act like a man

猛龙球迷:如果你是个人,那就做个人。

[–]Wizards acosmichippo 162 指標 13小時前*

in terms harden can understand.

奇才球迷:你也得让哈登听得懂才行啊。

[–]Cavaliers Former_Strike 352 指標 12小時前

The stripper that can climb the pole the highest makes the most . I hope that helps Harden understand.

骑士球迷:能爬到钢管顶端的脱衣舞娘才是赚得最多的。但愿这句话哈登能懂

[–]Raptors AWildFridge 103 指標 11小時前

Bro are you shakespeare

猛龙球迷:哥,你就是莎士比亚吗

[–]Thunder Brooklynfool 204 指標 13小時前

Damn Harden why you get Shaq so mad

雷霆球迷:靠,登啊,你是哪里得罪奥尼尔了啊

[–]Nuggets mags87 116 指標 10小時前

Harden disrespected the players on that team hard. He basically said this team is now garbage and its not my fault at all when he didn't even put in effort this year.

Shaq see's this as whining and not taking any blame for the state the team is in despite the fact they provided him everything he asked for. They gave him everything he wanted and when it was his turn to deliver in elimination games, he was 1-4 in the previous 5.

掘金球迷:哈登太不尊重那些队友了。他那话基本就等于是说火箭现在很垃圾,但错不在他,可他本赛季甚至都没出力。

奥尼尔就觉得他是个怨妇,明明球队已经处处迁就他了,可他还是不愿为火箭的现状承担任何责任。火箭给了哈登想要的一切,到了背水一战该哈登输出的时候,只有1胜4负。

[–]Pengweeno87 213 指標 13小時前

This is why I don't understand the Harden worship. Harden has gotten the things he's asked for. Yes he has had insane competition but he also has glaring flaws in his own game that he doesn't seem to want to address. Scoring isn't the only thing that matters in a team game. Harden needs to prove he's worthy of being considered a top 3 or 4 player and I don't think he has.

所以我没法理解那些迷恋哈登的人啊。哈登的要求都如愿了。是,他的能力超强,可他也有自己貌似都不愿意去改正的明显短板啊。篮球比赛里,得分不是唯一重要的能力。哈登必须得证明自己担得起联盟前三或前四的地位,我觉得他还没做到。

[–]Knicks bushraptor 19 指標 11小時前*

Just say you hate harden and move on ...I’ve never seen a star get more hate . Did AD get this hate for not winning with the Pelicans

尼克斯球迷:你干脆直接说你是个登黑呗……我还从未看过哪个球星有哈登这么容易招黑的。戴维斯当初也没在鹈鹕夺冠,有人黑他吗?

[–]Lakers JimmyB3574 109 指標 12小時前

Why do people act like scoring is the only thing harden does? Dude is one of the best playmakers in the league and even has an assist title to show for it.

湖人球迷:为啥总有人装糊涂说哈登的贡献就只有得分?他是联盟最强组织者之一,甚至还有个助攻王的荣誉来背书。

[–]Timberwolves DuBakElite 34 指標 11小時前

The fact that the post you replied to was so highly upvoted is telling. A lot of posters here don’t actually know basketball lol

森林狼球迷:你回复的那条评论所得到的高赞就能说明原因了。这里很多人压根就不懂球,哈哈哈哈

[–]Thunder treemeista 32 指標 11小時前

Because people let their hate for players blind them from how good they are at basketball. Happens all the time.

雷霆球迷:因为那些人让仇恨蒙蔽了双眼,他们看不到那些球员有多强。向来如此。

[–]Supersonics nekoken04 8 指標 10小時前

Eh, I'm not a Harden fan but the dude has fixed the worst flaws in his game. He isn't awful on defense anymore. He can pass and does, 2016-17 assist leader. I don't like the iso play but he is one of the top 3 or 4 players in the NBA when he's in shape and motivated.

超音速球迷:呃,虽说我不是登蜜,可他已经改善了自己最大的短板。他的防守已经不差了。他能传,还是16/17赛季的助攻王。

我也不喜欢疯狂单打,可只要哈登有求战欲又在状态,他就是联盟前三或前四的水准。

[–]Celtics TheKingOfTCGames 149 指標 12小時前

His offense is basically as much as you can ask for out of a player that is still human.

and he has worked on his defense since his windmill days.

凯尔特人球迷:哈登的进攻基本满足你对一个人类球员在那方面的一切要求。

而且自打大风车暴扣时期起,哈登就已经加强了防守能力。

[–][LAL] Nick Van Exel Dodgerblue15 63 指標 11小時前

No. His offense isn’t all that you can ask for. He doesn’t do anything when he doesn’t have the ball. He is a zero threat. Watch Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Curry. They may take some offensive plays off or play decoy. But they are also still vital pieces of the offense when they don’t have the ball. This is what drove Chris Paul crazy. Harden literally just stands around the perimeter if he doesn’t have the ball. Anyway, we shall see how Hardens lack of off ball movement works with Kyrie and Durant. Or, if he learns how to play off ball. The dude has all the tools.

湖人球迷:不,他的进攻还真没法满足全部要求。他无球的时候啥也干不了,零威胁。看看詹姆斯、巴特勒、库里,他们打无球的时候也在扮演着本队进攻中的重要角色。这也是哈登让保罗不爽的地方。只要他没拿球,他基本就是站在外线。反正咱们以后也会看看哈登半吊子的无球跑动怎么和欧文、杜兰特搭配。要不他学会打无球也行啊,他是有这个条件的。

[–]Rockets byRockets 34 指標 11小時前

Lol he’s not a complete zero what, he can shoot the ball and always commands a defender. The only time he’s even played with a good second option was 2018 Paul and they practically had the ring secured. Now that he’s not asked to score 35 a night he can use more energy there, you’re overstating it

火箭球迷:呵呵,他的无球可不是零威胁。他的投射能力就能牵制一个防守人。他在我火这些年,唯一搭档过的优秀二当家就是18年的保罗,差点就夺冠了。现在他既然不必每场拿35分了,那就有更多的精力打无球,楼上也太看不起哈登了。

[–]knight4 198 指標 13小時前

Seriously. Is it a coincidence that literally everyone (GM, entire coaching staff) and every player except Tucker and Gordon (who they are aggressively trying to trade) has gotten out and gotten out quick? People just want to get the fuck away from Fertitta.

讲真,除了塔克和戈登(也积极想促成交易),原先的火箭几乎每个人(总经理、整个教练团队)都走了,而且是迅速离开,难道这只是巧合吗?他们只是想快点离开特么的费尔蒂塔!

[–]Rockets 2nd2last 137 指標 12小時前

Worse yet, everyone on this sub admits that Tilman is a historically bad owner and in two years, took a 65 win team to this .

AND STILL, blame Harden for wanting out.

火箭球迷:更过分的是,这个论坛里人人都承认费尔蒂塔是历史级地稀烂,就两年时间,把一支65胜的球队折腾到了现在这样。

可即便如此,哈登想走,他们居然还喷。

[–]Rockets optimistic_autist 67 指標 11小時前

I don’t blame harden for wanting out. Hell I’d want out too. It’s just the way he pushed his way out that I don’t like. Absolutely no reason to shit on teammates and bring down everyone else in the process.

Yeah Tillman is a joke and ruined this team, but harden could’ve at least been professional about asking for a trade. Especially for a team/city that’s put him on a pedestal for the past 8 years

火箭球迷:哈登想走我不怪他,换做是我也想走。只是他那个离开的方式我真不喜欢。你完全没必要去贬低队友啊。

是,费尔蒂塔就是个毁了球队的笑话,可你哈登想走人至少也得表现得职业点吧。何况我火过去8年那么捧你。

[–]New Jersey Nets cgor 18 指標 9小時前

He did. Their response was “we’re willing to get uncomfortable,” so it did.

篮网球迷:他早说了想走啊,你火的回应是:“膈应人我们也乐意。”所以就有了之后的事儿。

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