【键盘侠】讨论AI的效率多么幼稚！相比于科比 威少更像艾弗森？

Ex 76ers GM Billy King: "When AI was injured & we knew he couldn’t play we used to hide his jersey. We’d lock it. One time he found his jersey but didn’t have any shoes. He tried to send the ball boy to the Foot Locker. Then he pointed to an attendant, ‘what size are you, just give me those shoes’"

前76人总经理比利-金：“（艾弗森不愿意轮休比赛），当他受伤了，我们知道他打不了比赛之后，会把他的球衣藏起来，锁在一个地方。有一次他找到了自己的球衣，却没找到球鞋，他便让球童去商店里买一双。他甚至会问旁边的人‘你穿多大码的鞋，给我一双你的鞋吧！’”

（相关新闻链接：前76人GM：艾弗森不愿轮休 为不让他带伤比赛会把他球衣藏起来）

Imagine he just bought his own jersey instead XD

勇士球迷：想象一下，艾弗森自己跑去买了一件艾弗森的球衣，是多么滑稽的画面，哈哈哈哈。

[–]Buckslundej16 690 指標 16小時前

Just pop on into the team store lmao

Not a bad idea honestly

雄鹿球迷：空降主场的球队商店，笑死我了，听起来是个不错的主意。

[–]Celticslampasking 271 指標 16小時前

He would be signing autographs all night. Lol

凯尔特人球迷：那他一整晚就别打球了，光顾着签名都忙不过来，哈哈哈哈哈。

[–]Lakersminkdraggingonfloor 164 指標 15小時前

Not if he wore a beanie, sunglasses and sweater. AI was a pretty normal sized guy, he's one of the only NBA players in history who could hide in a crowd

湖人球迷：如果艾弗森戴着线帽和墨镜，再穿上毛衣就不会被认出来了。艾弗森的身材真的太普通不过了，他是NBA历史上唯一一个躲在人群里不会被认出来的球星。

[–]NetsSelfDeprecating 505 指標 14小時前

Lol, there's no way prime AI would go unrecognized in a Sixers store built into the Sixers arena patronized entirely by Sixers fans on game day

篮网球迷：哈哈哈哈，76人的比赛日艾弗森关注度那么高，他出现在主场球馆的76人商店里，艾弗森铁杆粉丝怎么可能认不出来！

[–]EastDubstep_Caruso 102 指標 14小時前

I'm sure they could get him a fake mustache

可以考虑再给艾弗森整个假胡子！

[–]WaltPatrickKristaps 18 指標 10小時前

That wouldn't be enough. He'd have to put on The Fiend mask to make sure nobody could identify him.

不行不行，还不够，艾弗森还需要戴上恶魔面具才能确保没人能认出来。

[–]76ersjihyoisgod 3 指標 8小時前

This is philly. They don't work

76人球迷：那里可是费城，艾弗森怎么包装都没用！

[–]pi247 6 指標 10小時前

I saw AI at a club in atlanta once. He's average height but his arms are long af and his swag is kinda unmistakable lol.

我曾经在亚特兰大的一个俱乐部见到过艾弗森本人，他身高一般，但是他手臂很长，然后那个气场一看就是艾弗森本人没跑了，哈哈哈哈。

[–]Trail Blazerstonfx 19 指標 11小時前

Oh my gosh it's my favourite point guard, Chris Paul! Chris Paul man, wassup man?

开拓者球迷：哦天呐！这不是我最喜欢的控卫吗？是你吧，克里斯-保罗！哥们，最近怎么样？

[–]KnicksNotErnieGrunfeld 76 指標 13小時前*

He allegedly tried that once, was being held out of a game in New York and started heading out to just buy his own jersey from the NBA Flagship store a mile away before getting put back in

尼克斯球迷：艾弗森说他真的买过自己的球衣，有次去纽约打比赛被场馆工作人员拦下了。于是便驱车一公里去NBA旗舰店买一件自己的球衣穿上，然后才进去了。

[–]NetsRatailion 39 指標 12小時前

I don't know how people can't love this guy. I always did.

篮网球迷：我不知道人们怎么能不喜欢这个家伙，我一直爱着他。

[–][DET] Ben Wallacejohnazoidberg- 11 指標 11小時前

I understand that if the Chauncey trade never happened, I'd love him.

活塞球迷：我只知道，如果昌西-比卢普斯的交易没有发生，我会一直爱他的。（活塞用比卢普斯换来艾弗森后，艾弗森状态快速下滑）

[–][IND] Victor OladipoTheGslack 6 指標 10小時前

My first basketball memories were trying to recreate AI dribbles moves with my buddies. In Indiana during the Reggie era

步行者球迷：我关于篮球最早的记忆，就是和小伙伴们试图模仿艾弗森的运球动作，那可是在雷吉-米勒时期的印第安纳州。

AI walks in store

Foot Locker employee: YOOOO I KNOW YOU, YOU’RE AI RIGHT

AI: yea

Foot locker employee: what do you want, my dude?!?

AI: I want a Philly Allen Iverson home jersey

Foot locker employee: um, what? wouldn’t you have that already?

AI: yes, but I need one right now

Foot locker employee: ummmm...okay bro

鹈鹕球迷：艾弗森走进鞋店

鞋店雇员：哟，我认识你，你是艾弗森，对吧！

艾弗森：没错。

鞋店雇员：老哥，你想要什么呢？

艾弗森：我想要一件76人艾弗森的主场球衣。

鞋店雇员：额，什么？你没有自己的球衣吗？

艾弗森：我有，但是我现在就需要一件。

鞋店雇员：额……好吧，哥们。

[–]CelticsTnYamaneko 19 指標 9小時前

AI: I want a Philly Allen Iverson home jersey

Foot locker employee: Hey yall! I've got Andre Iguodala buying me some Iverson stuff!

凯尔特人球迷：鞋店雇员：耶！伊戈达拉从我这买了一些艾弗森的周边！（伊戈达拉和艾弗森姓名缩写都是AI）

[–]76ersbatfleck101600 424 指標 16小時前

Absolute legend and the only reason I started loving basketball

76人球迷：艾弗森是绝对的传奇，也是我爱上篮球的唯一原因。

[–]RaptorsMMPride 6 指標 12小時前

You picked a damn good reason for loving basketball that's for sure.

猛龙球迷：你为热爱篮球找了个非常好的理由！

[–]Raptorsrelapsze 11 指標 15小時前

Wasn't he responsible for that outbreak of velour suits though?

猛龙球迷：艾弗森难道不应该对天鹅绒西装的流行负责吗？

[–][IND] George HillNABAKLAB 9 指標 14小時前

As a 10-year old white European kid, I bought (well, with my parent's money) a Sixers snapback because of AI.

Sucks that it is not size-adjustable

步行者球迷：作为一名10岁的欧洲白人男孩，因为喜欢艾弗森攒下父母给的零花钱，买了个76人的棒球帽。该死的，那个帽子竟然不能调整尺寸！

Iverson was pound for pound the toughest player in NBA history. He always played with injuries and doesn't get nearly enough credit as he deserves.💪🏾

76人球迷：艾弗森是NBA历史上最坚韧的球员，伤病也无法阻挡他上场打比赛，他却没有得到足够的赞誉。

[–]PracticalCommittee98 295 指標 16小時前

I remember the "who is most dominant player in the League" debates between him and Shaq during his MVP season.

记得艾弗森拿MVP的赛季，人们都在讨论他和奥尼尔，谁才是联盟最有统治力的球员。

[–]Bullsjasonis3 549 指標 17小時前

People will point to his true shooting percentage and tell me he’s overrated. He is a true warrior and was better than Kobe before 2005 in my biased opinion

公牛球迷：人们总是指着艾弗森的真实命中率说他被高估了，我认为他是一名真正的勇士，甚至在我看来他比2005年之前的科比还要强。

[–]Mavericks_tx 401 指標 17小時前

AI made the 76ers watchable for years. Those guys need to stfu.

独行侠球迷：那些年艾弗森让76人的比赛非常有观赏性，说他被高估的人真的应该闭嘴！

[–]NetsCleopatraHadAnAnus 424 指標 17小時前

Dude carried a team to the finals that had Aaron McKie and a 35-year old Mutumbo as the next two best scorers.

篮网球迷：当年那支76人除了艾弗森之外，另外两位最好的得分手是阿隆-麦基和35岁的穆大叔，他就带着这么一支队伍打进了总决赛。

[–]LakersJimmytheGent2020 180 指標 17小時前

Put some respek on Eric Snow & Matt Geiger's name!

湖人球迷：尊重一下埃里克-斯诺和马特-盖格的名字吧！

[–]Knicksakgamestar 63 指標 17小時前

Haven’t heard a Matt Geiger reference in years 😂. Shaq destroyed that man effortlessly.

尼克斯球迷：好多年没听过马特-盖格的名字了，哈哈哈，这家伙被奥尼尔轻轻松松地打爆了。

[–]76ersbayless4eva 34 指標 17小時前

I was in first grade and asked my dad why can't any of the other grown men stop him. My dad had no answer.

76人球迷：记得当时我在读小学一年级，我问爸爸为什么这些成年男人都阻止不了奥尼尔，我的爸爸陷入了沉默。

[–]Knicksakgamestar 14 指標 17小時前

Yeah that shit made no sense when you’d watch it live. How in the hell is he treating grown men like children I asked myself in amazement. It was Mutombo ffs surely he can’t dominate him I thought. But he did anyway.

尼克斯球迷：如果你看过比赛直播你就不会问这种毫无意义的问题，反而会惊讶地反问自己，奥尼尔为什么把成年男人当成小孩子看待？我以为他肯定不能打爆穆托姆博，结果还是打爆了。

I think Kobe once said something like "we're all fortunate that Allen Iverson isn't 6' 5""

森林狼球迷：我记得科比说过这么一句话，“我们应该庆幸，艾弗森的身高没有1米96。”

[–]Pistonsmidnightsbane04 25 指標 13小時前

If Iverson was around the same size as MJ or Kobe than you’re easily talking about AI as being a top 5 player all time.

活塞球迷：如果艾弗森和科比或乔丹一个体型，那他几乎毋庸置疑是历史前五的球员。

[–]Pistonsrosellem 25 指標 13小時前*

I see these comments somewhat regularly, about if "only AI was taller", but there's a relationship between size and speed (quickness is a better word than speed actually) governed by the laws of physics. And Iverson was damn good because he was quicker than anyone else on the court. And he was quicker because he was shorter.

Yeah, a 6'5" Iverson would have been a top 5 all time, but that's because 6'5" guys don't have his quickness. It's just how it works. His size is part of what made him special, it's not really possible to consider his skill level without it.

活塞球迷：我经常看到这种评论，什么“如果艾弗森更高的话”，但是身材和速度之间是相关的吧，受到物理学定律限制的。艾弗森为什么这么TM强，就是因为他比其他人在场上的速度都更快，所以他比其他人都要矮一截就很合理。

当然，1米96的艾弗森的确可以排进历史前五，那是因为1米96的人速度都没有艾弗森快。艾弗森的身高是他速度与众不同的一部分原因，你在谈论他的能力和技术时不能忽略他身高起到的作用。

[–]Lakerswedgie31miller 8 指標 10小時前

6'5" guys don't have his quickness

i've only seen one guy like that and his name is russell westbrook

湖人球迷：我只见过一个家伙比艾弗森高，而且速度也不亚于他，那个家伙的名字叫威斯布鲁克。

[–]Knicksmlavan 120 指標 17小時前

Nba was different like pre-2010 ish. Volume scoring wasn't considered a bad thing if you won. Guys like Kobe, McGrady and AI all were ball dominant guards that essentially had to do it all. Those guys were willing to sacrifice their bodies in order to keep playing.

尼克斯球迷：2010年之前的NBA和现在不一样了，当时只要你能砍高分带队赢球，效率低也不是问题。像科比、麦迪和艾弗森这种持球后卫，基本上必须要做到这一点，他们为了上场打比赛赢球，甚至愿意牺牲自己的身体。

[–]ZenMon88 61 指標 17小時前

That was their role as either being the guy on their team or only have another co star to help them. It's easy to use efficiency stats when guys are just teaming up nowadays. Stars had their own teams back then and were competitively going at it.

这群家伙要么自己独挑大梁，实在不行就找另一位球星来帮助自己。而现在的球星都开始抱团了，自然很容易打出效率高的数据。那个时候的球星都有自己的主队，彼此之间竞争激烈。

[–]cpxx 21 指標 16小時前

Stars had their own teams back then and were competitively going at it

That was right when i started following the NBA, it was Tmac for Orlando, AI for the Philly, Kobe/Shaq for LA, Duncan for SA, etc etc. Imo it was simpler times.

实话！我刚开始迷上NBA的时候，魔术当家是麦迪、76人当家是艾弗森、湖人当家是科比和奥尼尔、马刺当家是邓肯等等。在我看来，那个时代的NBA更加纯粹。

[–][TOR] Amir JohnsonIanicRR 110 指標 17小時前

AI is one of those players you needed to watch in real time to truly understand the hype. The numbers don’t tell a full story for the heart he brought on the court.

猛龙球迷：艾弗森是属于那种你需要亲身经历过他的比赛，才能理解他为什么这么火的球员，干巴巴的数据并不能反映出他在球场上的激情和能量。

[–]SilverAndBlack909 45 指標 16小時前

I agree. Kobe is similar in that regard.

同意，这方面科比和艾弗森很像。

[–]Tvveaking 42 指標 16小時前

I think Russ' fits the AI build more than Kobe. Kobe actually had pretty good efficiency based on his era (shocking based on what so many causals say) he was much more versatile defensively. Russ is this generations "leave it all on the line" undersized warrior. both are going to be forever criticized and have false narratives thrown on their legacies for not winning a ring and its a damn shame for both.

我认为相比于科比，威少更加像艾弗森。可能这么说你会觉得震惊，科比在他的时代其实效率很不错，防守端也更加全面。威少是新时代拼尽全力的小个勇士，他们的周围永远伴随着批评声，传奇的职业生涯也都将会因为没有拿到总冠军戒指受到偏见，这种看法对他们来说都是侮辱。

[–]Thunderrabidbot 11 指標 15小時前

God I hope Russ can get a ring one day. Even being the sixth man or something. Just don’t want to spend the last 40 years of my life telling people he was amazing and they can suck a dick .

雷霆球迷：天呐，我真的希望威少有一天能拿到一枚总冠军戒指，即使是以球队第六人的身份也好。我可不希望这辈子最后40年里，都在告诉人们威少有多棒！

[–]pirate-private 8 指標 15小時前

I've been back and forth on Russ, mostly sympathetic, but I've come to the realization that the only reason his arguable weaknesses are in the spotlight is his undisputable amount of talent and power.

我和很多人讨论过威少的话题，大部分情况下都很同情他。但是我已经意识到了，威少的弱点和缺陷之所以会被暴露在聚光灯之下，唯一的原因就是他无可争议的天赋和实力。

[–]76ersHip_Hop_Hippos 18 指標 16小時前*

I mean he was trying to score on a lane with basically 4 centers (2 of his, 2 on D) since that’s what late 90s/early 00s PFs were. He had no shooting for a lot of his career and no system designed around spacing.

If you put him in today’s league he probably shoots more 3s and shoots them better since he’d have worked on them more in his off seasons as well.

Plenty to criticize about his game but context matters a lot.

76人球迷：我想说艾弗森当时需要在场上有4个中锋的情况下砍分，自己这边2个，对面2个，90年代后期和00年代初期大前就相当于中锋。艾弗森大部分的职业生涯都没有多少投篮机会，也没有围绕空间布置的体系。

如果把艾弗森放在如今的联盟里打球，他可能会投更多的三分，而且投得很棒，因为他在休赛期一定会针对三分进行苦练。有很多人指责艾弗森的得分效率，但是不能忽略他打球的时代背景。

[–]Celticsefshoemaker 56 指標 17小時前

Whenever anyone brings up his TS% or any efficiency related stat it just tells me they weren't watching basketball when he was in his prime.

That team's entire offensive gameplan was to give AI the ball and have him iso. And he brought them to the finals. A team that plays like those 76ers should never be competitive, but he made them great.

凯尔特人球迷：无论什么时候，只要有人拿艾弗森的真实命中率或者其他和效率相关的数据说事，我会认为这些人根本没看过艾弗森巅峰期的比赛。当时那支76人的整个进攻计划就是把球给艾弗森控，拉开让他单打。那样一支76人本不应该有竞争力，艾弗森却带着他们打进了总决赛，让整支队伍变得更伟大。

[–]ZenMon88 12 指標 16小時前

Yep you can't just roll out stats and convince he's an inefficient player like AI. There has to be context esp when AI's job was to handle the offense on his own, Same way Kobe did with the 06 Lakers. There was no choice otherwise their teams would be HOT ASS.

是的，不能仅仅摆出一些数据就说艾弗森是多么低效的一名球员，必须考虑当时的情况，艾弗森必须扛起进攻端大旗，就像06年的科比一样。他们都别无选择，他们不去进攻球队就会被打爆。

Always love when the 16 years old in r/nba talk about how inefficient and overrated The Answer was.

我永远喜欢在吧里和一群16岁的毛孩，讨论艾弗森有多么低效，多么被高估。

[–]Thundermusicnimbus 8 指標 12小時前

16 yr olds don't even know who "The Answer" is

16岁的毛孩甚至都不知“答案”指的是谁！

[–]ZenMon88 156 指標 17小時前

They just weren't there man. This gen doesn't have any1 that has that swagger and presence like AI.

老哥，他们只是没有经历过，这一代人已经没有了艾弗森当年的气场和桀骜不驯的感觉。

[–]420_just_blase 28 指標 14小時前

To be fair, much like Shaq, if you didn't experience Iverson as it happened...then you just can't understand

其实就像奥尼尔一样，如果你没有经历过艾弗森的时代，你就是没有办法理解。

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